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Hendrik_2000

Lieutenant General
China had the most spine during Chairman Mao’s days. That didn’t stop Taiwanese pilots from not only intruding mainland airspace every other day of the week but also shoot and kill PLAAF pilots on numerous occasions, once even straffing a pilot who had ejected with aircraft cannons.

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I watch the CCTV documentary on U2 flight It is not correct to say that Taiwan can fly over China with impunity At first they are at lost what to do since U2 Flight envelope is much higher than Mig15 or Mig 16 But then they get their hand on Russian missile using their long range radar they can predict the flight path of U2. So they lay in ambush. They keep fire control radar off until the last minute They get success. But soon enough The Taiwan has counter strategy of having on board jammer that confused the Chinese radar. But again they had luck downing one with the jammer . They recover the Jammer and studied it and find an effective counter measure. After that The Taiwanese stop flying overland. So it is not correct to say they didn't do nothing. But in those days Chinese economy and military are primitive compare to the Taiwanese But they have the gut and ingenuity to beat the odds . Off course they don't have the navy to cross the strait . The west jokingly called million army swim.

What I am saying is China better put their money where their mouth is. And start seriously expand the marine to 100,000 men Get crash program to build the LPD and LHD . Train division size landing and joint operation
 

Tyler

Captain
Registered Member
Normally your posts are quite insightful, but the above comments are just dumb.

Who exactly is China going to attack with their army and air force? Russia? North Korea? Mongolia? Kazakhstan? Pakistan? Vietnam?

India may be belligerent, but what would starting a war with them accomplish?

The only military target of strategic value for China is Taiwan, and I can assure you, everything is ready for armed reunification. The PLA can take over Taiwan in an afternoon should the need arises.
Does China have enough ships like type 071, type 075 and other amphibious landing ships for Taiwan right now?
 

windsclouds2030

Senior Member
Registered Member
No, I have never read anything from these two people. I just skimped the work of Henry Makow and wikipedia about David Irving after you mentioned them. In short, they do have some merits in their works, but I do have some objections:
  1. I believe in "class struggle" of Karl Max. I don't accept any attribution of "doing bad" such as imperialism to any people, but only social class. That is to say that it is the fault of financial capitalists which may have lots of Jewish people in certain country and certain time. Their ethnic background plays no role doing bad. The word Jew should not have been in the title with or without quotation marks.
  2. The established history view after WWII are made by the winners. The view includes some obvious whitewashing or omission of atrocities against German and Japanese civilians by US, UK and USSR. However, trying to whitewash Hitler is not acceptable. One of David's argument is the lack of evidence of order from Hitler to exterminate the Jews. David missed the point or disagree with the point that there were millions Jewish civilians killed at the hand of Nazi troops, Hitler as the highest leader together with the whole leadership are fully responsible for that, regardless written order or not. Technicality in legal code of the time does not get them away from the guilt. In this regard, winner's rule is the rule.

I skipped reading the rest about their work because I believe with these two fundamental differences the rest of what they say does not matter much to me, what can be agreed I probably already know through my own study.
Unfortunately for DAVID IRVING, to learn his works one will have to read BOOKS, and definitely no way to use the CIA's front-end filtering so-called faux online encyclopedia Wikipedia :) lol -- I esp. won't touch any politically sensitive subject using wikipedia! for sports, entertainment and other fun things, okay.
but this British researcher (sorry, my bad, not American) was deadly serious on his works, he did research for three years, dug the very thick piles of the war and war trial documents... and he was good at his works that the establishment poured in efforts to destroy his life to shun his works... and it's hard to find some good info about him online, the establishment has painted black on him every where: holocaust denial, antisemitic, even history falsifier, etc.

Some of his books:
- Hitler's War and the War Path by David Irving
- Churchill's War, Vol 1: The Struggle for Power by David Irving
- Churchill's War, Vol 2: Triumph in Adversity by Irving David
- Nuremberg: The Last Battle by David Irving, Walter Frentz
- and several others

- Lying About Hitler: History, Holocaust And The David Irving Trial by Richard J. Evans

In ruling against the controversial historian David Irving in his libel suit against the American historian Deborah Lipstadt, last April 2000, the High Court in London labeled him a falsifier of history. No objective historian, declared the judge, would manipulate the documentary record in the way that Irving did. Richard J. Evans, a Cambridge historian and the chief advisor for the defense, uses this pivotal trial as a lens for exploring a range of difficult questions about the nature of the historian's enterprise.

For instance, don't all historians in the end bring a subjective agenda to bear on their reading of the evidence? Is it possible that Irving lost his case not because of his biased history BUT BECAUSE HIS AGENDA WAS UNACCEPTABLE? The central issue in the trial -- as for Evans in this book -- was not the past itself, but the way in which historians study the past.

In a series of short, sharp chapters, Richard Evans sets David Irving's methods alongside the historical record in order to illuminate the difference between responsible and irresponsible history. The result is a cogent and deeply informed study in the nature of historical interpretation.


As for HENRY MAKOW, he wrote many articles, manages his own website, thus more readily accessible, the link I gave earlier is a good starter. His subjects are completely different, not those faces, names that we regularly mention here or in the press, he's referring to the "supreme powers", extremely ultra wealthy, the generationally wealthy families (power and wealth developed long in the past, from at least the Battle of Waterloo era), the master class, the masters of all those political class in the West, the founders and controllers of many institutions, from the central banking, banking & financial, media, secret agencies, MIC, think tanks, and myriad of things... some even pointed out that they're controlling over 10,000 largest enterprises in various important sectors globally (esp. in the Western countries, but also in the "white" Asian like Japan).
 
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manqiangrexue

Brigadier
It is people like you who said they have the brain but NO GUT, why China was weak.
China was weak because its technology was poor and its technology was poor because of brainless people who thought they could "gut" things out. You have "guts" and "spine" and perhaps other unrelated organs confused with the employment of strategy and tactics.
Remember Song dynasty wonder if people like are interested in History at all read history instead reading all those stupid Phd book with no nothing to gain.
The biggest weakness and rot of a society is when people like who can't even formulate a sentence call people with PhD's stupid LOL. Look at this "sentence" that I just quoted; you sound like a drunk homeless person complaining on the subway at 3AM! Every technological gain was through education and PhDs spearhead the way. Every defeat was made by fools who think that bravery (or rather rashness) can make up for technological weakness.
So what good is all your Phd if you don't have a job?
No good. Which is why I have a job. But still better than angry war-mongering internet warriors.
The US practically throw a way the Beijing consensus by sending their ambassador ,De facto recoqnizing Taiwan as independent country. Selling ton and tons of weapon to Taiwan and all China can do is protesting
Protesting! Ah I see you cannot see beneath the surface where American threats over Taiwan caused the PLA to transform from farmers-with-rifles level to the second most powerful and technologically advanced but fasting growing and developing military in the world. Yeah, it's way better than starting a war prematurely and suffering unneeded casualties or even possible defeat. I'm sure if you were in charge, China would be just a big North Korea today.
What strategy other than no GUT!
What strategy do you have other than poor reading comprehension and lack of critical thinking? It was explained multiple times by multiple people that with the balance of power tipping in China's favor, strategically, China should want to wait while others should desperately try to push the conflict forward.
yeah all the talk is ueseless if the enemy know that you can only transport 1 division the most across the Taiwan strait. Say today Taiwan declare independence what can China do when transport ship can only ferry 2 division of Marine and 1 more army division ?
All your fake bravery is what's useless. China can beat the crap out of them; decimate their air force and navy, destroy military installations, provide air cover for landing troops by every available naval and civilian ship and air drop.

If you don't like China's tact and you think that its world-beating rise is nothing because it doesn't act like a desperado, then don't be Chinese. Go find a country that acts like you want, maybe North Korea, Russia, some African tribes known for cutting people's heads off for accidentally wandering into their territories, and ask if they'll accept you as a citizen. We Chinese people like the current trends, support the CCP's tactics and recognize its achievments and we don't need people who can't even write correct sentences while calling PhDs stupid to bring down the national average IQ. Go be an angry oaf somewhere else.
 
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windsclouds2030

Senior Member
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The related tweet by joy @joyjuheelim is still pretty well intact, and there are many informative feedbacks there!

my sister’s 6th grade social studies class took a quiz today and......... this is ridiculous.. harmful rhetoric in our education system is exactly why anti-asian hate crimes and racism persist today
@CFBISD @BlalackMS do better

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From this starter post by the Korean-American, there are many informative comments added to give wider context.

One of those reads as below:

"excellent example of how to plant hate into children's deep memories so that they can turn into weapons at a click one day"


The linked post:

Today I'm going to show you what brainwash really is :

Cotton Picking
Slavery
Genocide
Concentration Camps
Nazi
Dictatorship
Racism
Terrorism
Freedom
Human Rights

Boom!!
Are you ready Soldier? (I really love this video)
(A THREAD )

WATCH THE VIDEO CLIP:

When certain words or information works like a switch, that easily triggers you, awakens your anger, your sense of justice, so that you can act by instinct without any doubt, and you don’t even do fact check before your actions, you might be considered, brainwashed.
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And some other posts in summary:

Yeah except literally none of it is true. Even eating cats and dogs is something that only occurs in certain isolated rural areas. It's like saying "it is normal in the USA to practice incest" because it happens in some rural in West Virginia, or Alabama, or Kentucky. They go to family reunions looking for dates in West Virginia. Banging your cousin is legal in California, but not Kentucky. Yet incest is statistically highest in Kentucky, not in California.

Same thing about the polygamy just because some part of the society practice that in Utah.


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Genetic Defects Noted In Parts Of Appalachia - The Washington Post
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And before anyone says "but WaPo is biased" (which is yes, it is), the article reports on research conducted in Kentucky by the University of Kentucky.


Then imagine to take another kind of Quiz question at the elementary school in Asia to brainwash the kids :)

a. It is the norm in the USA to kneel on throats of Black persons until they die.
b. It is the norm in the USA to accept frequent mass shootings.
c. It is the norm in the USA to believe FOX NEWS is news.
d. All are correct
e. None of above


And this one is funny too :) some people are just really sharp

True or false: BIDEN, the president of the US was voted on by the US people.

FALSE. Members of the electoral college voted for BIDEN.


There are plenty of the US cultural practices that Chinese people think are f**ked up (e.g. circumcision).

And also to most people, just saying NORMS, which to most means it’s already normal, infers all are true. It’s the weirdest way to word a question, AND it’s horribly racist.

Yes, and also it's setting up a multiple choice with A. Horrible and B. Scary (to a child) so that even if C. was completely true, they are presenting it in a way that is JUDGMENTAL.


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So many things to learn just from one single starting post...
 
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