Korea was a unified Kingdom from 1392 to 1897 up to the time when modern nation state became the norm. It was however annexed by Japan firstly, then divided by USSR and USA at 1945. So the Koreans have very equal right as other modern states to be unified if all people on the peninsular desire.
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Hendrik_2000
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Why can China be more like Russia instead of war of word They should just mobilized the army and air force ?
Russia does not talk much but they put the boot on the ground!
Actually, in SA during its apartheid days. The Japanese were given "whites status". Must have made them feel real special.
China and Russia are fundamentally different in their dealings with the rest of the world.
Russia is stuck at its old ways of wanting to retain influence on its Soviet countries but this is impossible because its economy is very weak
China has long recognised the core problem it had. Its economy was very small so it kept its head low, suffered abuses and himilations so that they could develop their economy and become part of the world supply chain.
So now that China has grown, the mask has slipped and a true China is starting to appear, which is why the West is so often shocked by the recent Chinese behaviour as in the past it was a "well behaved puppy" and it never questioned the West superiority.
Now see the results and tell me which country's strategy worked at the end. China's or Russia's?
Hendrik_2000
Lieutenant General
Well they way I see Russia strategy work better The west never even tested color revolution inside Russia But they have no restraint with China Example Tibet riot 2008, Xinjiang Riot2009, Hongkong riot 2020 Need more example?
CCP is full of white worshipping with no spine
manqiangrexue
Brigadier
Economics, politics and military are interconnected, not separate. Russia acts more aggressive because it has nothing other than its military. Also, Russia is much lower on the threat list than China because it doesn't have a powerful economy so there are far less efforts against Russia. Russia behaves like a desperado because it has so little to lose as there is basically nothing going for Russian growth while China behaves and nurtures itself like a rising star and future lord. Every country knows that getting into a fight with Russia is like provoking the angry drunk with a switchblade on the subway at night, but messing with China you will find a polite man in a $1000 suit who smiles at you and the next day you lose your job; your car tires are slashed, your wife is telling you there are strange men observing her from outside your house and your dog dies for no reason. Then if you actually start swinging at him, you'll see this nice guy in a suit actually is actually armed and has moves like an MMA champ. That China hides its strength more ties into its success in other areas; you cannot alter one without altering the others and Russia's overall achievements in these decades are unquestionably dwarfed by China's by a long shot.
They are the only hope of China and only people with no brain can insult the CCP with the world-beating results they deliver in every area fueling China's ascent.
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doesn't matter. China handled them all, didn't it?
So who developed the economy and who didnt?
Who is now more militarily developed?
Who now has more influence on the world?
Of course China's strategy contained risks, as it pertained deception, but it passed them.
And regarding the CPC, I agree. Pre-Xi era the CPC was rotten with capitalists and US white worshipping. Paradoxically the US 2008 world economic crisis shattered the grandiose image of the US that some people had.
However there were still many many white worshippers. Until Xi became president. That was then the US influence started to be systemically removed from the CPC by Xi.
So.yes, the strategy contained grave risks, but unimaginable rewards as well. IMO, the when Xi became president that was the turning point where China managed to shake off US influence and risks. Which is alsobwhy the West hates him.
Look at the "Longer Telegram" where they say that the only problem is Xi himself and that if he got removed everything would be fine lol
I think Russia and China both have adopted the best respective strategies suitable for their own countries and circumstances. Russia has to stand firm and act strong in the face of West aggression. They had been naive since the fall of the Soviet Union (really since the Gorbachev era). Even Putin was genuinely hoping to cooperate with the West at the beginning. The West has been relentless and unreliable to Russia. Russia has learned their lesson. They have to stop the western aggression and erosion now; there is future for a "hide and bide" type of strategy.
China is different. It started poor and low and has benefited from a low-profile strategy. It's been growing, growing and growing. Time is on its side because much of its potential is still untapped. But China has gotten to the point where it can no longer stay low and the US (and to a lesser extent other western countries) is getting fearful. So the US is doing all it can to slow down if not stop China's growth. China is not yet strong enough to engage the US in a open, all-front conflict, but it has to push back strongly against US's deliberate attack against China's core and sovereign interest (Hong Kong, Xinjiang, Tibet and Taiwan). Trade war or even tech war is OK and can be manageable in comparison.
By the way, the quality of the US leadership since the end of Cold War has been mediocre, to put it very mildly.
"CCP is full of white worshipping with no spine"
Not anymore they are not. One of the biggest reasons for this is the current leader.
solarz
Brigadier
Normally your posts are quite insightful, but the above comments are just dumb.
Who exactly is China going to attack with their army and air force? Russia? North Korea? Mongolia? Kazakhstan? Pakistan? Vietnam?
India may be belligerent, but what would starting a war with them accomplish?
The only military target of strategic value for China is Taiwan, and I can assure you, everything is ready for armed reunification. The PLA can take over Taiwan in an afternoon should the need arises.