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voyager1

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j17wang said:
Together, we support a transparent and independent analysis and evaluation, free from interference and undue influence, of the origins of the COVID-19 pandemic. In this regard, we join in expressing shared concerns regarding the recent WHO-convened study in China, while at the same time reinforcing the importance of working together toward the development and use of a swift, effective, transparent, science-based, and independent process for international evaluations of such outbreaks of unknown origin in the future.

Is there a reason you have omitted the last lines?
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Lmao these are just diplomatic window-dressings. Nobody cares about this because it is just diplomatic speak ("constructive dialogue", "rules-based order", "free Indo-Pacific trade" etc).

Look at all the news now and you will see that the message is clear, "US and allies express concerns on China regarding covid" etc. Now the news all around the world are talking about the "concerns on China". Nobody cares about the rest of the statement because that was just diplomatic niceties.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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voyager1 said:
Lmao these are just diplomatic window-dressings. Nobody cares about this because it is just diplomatic speak ("constructive dialogue", "rules-based order", "free Indo-Pacific trade" etc).

Look at all the news now and you will see that the message is clear, "US and allies express concerns on China regarding covid" etc. Now the news all around the world are talking about the "concerns on China". Nobody cares about the rest of the statement because that was just diplomatic niceties.
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Nobody give raw data because it breach the patient-doctor confidentiality. So they are asking for the impossible. As Kylie said it does not matter they spin it they way they like because it is all political move to blame China. So China should just denied access to raw data citing confidentiality. That WHO guy is just trying to placate the west
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Well a lot of US allies like Japan and Korea thumb their nose on Sinovac vaccine. Now that India block their domestic production for export, they are out of the limb. Guess beggar cannot be choosy, now they have to ask hand and knee to you know who what an irony
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Asian countries seek vaccine supplies after India export curbs hit COVAX​

FILE PHOTO: Nurse prepares to administer the AstraZeneca/Oxford vaccine against the COVID-19 at the Eka Kotebe General Hospital in Addis Ababa
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Sangmi Cha and Neil Jerome Morales
Tue, March 30, 2021, 1:38 AM·4 min read

By Sangmi Cha and Neil Jerome Morales
SEOUL/MANILA (Reuters) -Several Asian countries sought alternative sources for COVID-19 inoculations on Tuesday after export restrictions by manufacturer India left a World Health Organization-backed global vaccine sharing programme short of supplies.
The export curb deepens the problems facing the COVAX scheme, relied on by 64 poorer countries, and adds to previous setbacks that include production glitches and a lack of funding contribution from wealthy nations.

The shortage could leave poor countries further behind in inoculations, increasing the vaccine inequity, complicating global efforts to tame the coronavirus including more infectious variants, and exposing fresh pleas for a global treaty on pandemics as rather hollow.
South Korea, Indonesia, the Philippines and Vietnam are among countries to be hit by shipment delays to vaccines they have been promised under the COVAX programme, which was created mainly to ensure supplies for poorer countries.
"Our planned increase in daily vaccinations will be affected," Carlito Galvez, Philippines' vaccination chief, told reporters.
 
plawolf

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The basic first rule of data analysis is that correlation doesn’t equal causality.

Anyone who has worked with big datasets knows that you can find so many instances of correlation that you can basically cherry pick from it to make it say anything you want if you were intellectually dishonest, and China would have to be stupid to think western ‘experts’ from certain countries are anything but intellectually dishonest and purely there to hunt for anything they can use to damage China.

This is especially true when you are dealing with really complicated data like patient records during the middle of a mystery outbreak where there will inevitably be errors, omissions, inconsistencies and all sorts of things one can nit pick about because doctors had more important things to do than ensuring all the forms were properly filled out when patients were literally dying on the floor around them.

It’s almost certain that a lot of records would have been back filled later as the backlog of cases were finally cleared and doctors actually had time to worry about such niceties again. Oh look, evidence of fakery and data tampering!

The actual intellectually honest WHO members are publicly calling out the useful idiots/outright plants on Twitter, that’s how extraordinary unprofessional and disingenuous their purposefully sensationalist and blatantly manipulated stories endlessly repeated in the western MSM are to cause normally reserved and professional experts in their field to feel like they needed to make such major breaches of protocol and professional curtesy to set the record right so publicly and unequivocally.
 
LawLeadsToPeace

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KYli said:
Don't look so neutral from what I am seeing. More like assumption of guilty but just not saying it out aloud.

Full access to raw materials were never agreed upon. The WHO team has all agreed that they got accessed to many critical data but just the raw materials for some patients. I am open mind about granting access of raw materials to the WHO team.

However. when I see how the UN human rights groups and the Western media and the US keep calling Xinjiang genocide. It is apparentet to me that more transparent wouldn't make a difference. They would just fabricate more fake news and cherry pick information and misinformation and jump to their own conclusion. That's why I strongly agree with the Chinese government that whatever giving to the WHO should be extremely careful.
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I'm sorry that you seemed to have not understand my original stance, so let me clarify: The WHO's report and Tedros' comments on it are vague and can be open to interpretation from both sides. However @Hendrik_2000 mentioned the confidentiality issue which changes the report’s intentions a lot. You might wanna be careful when it comes to accusations.
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Nobody give raw data because it breach the patient-doctor confidentiality. So they are asking for the impossible.
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Ah that explains why the raw data is not given out. The fact that they didn’t even mention that in their report shows their fear of retribution from the West.
 
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LawLeadsToPeace said:
I'm sorry that you seemed to have not understand my original stance, so let me clarify: The WHO's report and Tedros' comments on it are vague and can be open to interpretation from both sides. However @Hendrik_2000 mentioned the confidentiality issue which changes the report’s intentions a lot. You might wanna be careful when it comes to accusations.

Ah that explains why the raw data is not given out. The fact that they didn’t even mention that in their report shows their fear of retribution from the West.
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WHO report is going to be politicized from the very beginning. WHO wants to remain vague and avoid controversy is understandable especially since the US and the Western media have repeated attacked WHO and its findings.

Maybe I have misunderstood your statement or maybe not. Your statement seems to claim that China isn't forthcoming in granting full access to WHO and would be viewed as hiding something. I replied saying China did grant access to many critical data and partial access to the raw data that requested by the WHO team. WHO team was initially satisfied with what they got from China. But later the Western media made a big fuss about not getting full access to the raw materials and made the claim that the report is unreliable and shouldn't be taken seriously.

A member of WHO team did say full access to the raw materials would be better but they also said the data can be anonymized. However, that's not what the US is demanding. The US is demanding China to grant full access to every patients and allow the WHO team or even CDC team to interview and interrogate each patient. That'sn't a fact finding mission but an attempt to indict and incriminate China.

So I can't agree with your statement about China is hiding something. And I would say the WHO report is pretty clear that they don't believe the lab theory but they won't make any final judgement in order to placate the US but at the same time would entertain more fact finding mission. On the other hand, China's position is also very clear. China isn't going to entertain a witch hunt. That's why China would be very careful to grant any access to the WHO team because no matter what the Western media would presume China as guilty and they would twist any facts to incriminate China.
 
solarz

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Lines are being drawn, and at the end of the day, the WHO is a western, old world order, institution. While I've no doubt many of the health care professionals that are a part of the WHO are impartial scientists, the same cannot be said of the pencil pushers.

I expect to see more fragmentation of international institutions in the coming years (or months).
 
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