Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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KYli

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China and Japan relationship has deteriorated rapidly for the last months. Japanese cars were not recognized as high-end by the Chinese but rather more economical and durable. South Korea cars were out-competed by Chinese domestic car brands. I think most foreign brands except high-end days are numbered in China due to the EVs revolution.
 

daifo

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China and Japan relationship has deteriorated rapidly for the last months. Japanese cars were not recognized as high-end by the Chinese but rather more economical and durable. South Korea cars were out-competed by Chinese domestic car brands. I think most foreign brands except high-end days are numbered in China due to the EVs revolution.
I remember 10 years ago, it was claim that american cars sold well because people thought americans cars were high end. Is that still the case?
 

j17wang

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So when can we expect Biden to roll-back those trade restrictions with China, and also end those high-level meetings with Taiwan - anytime soon? After all, I was assured it would be the first thing on his agenda as soon as he'd been in office long enough people wouldn't think he was rushing into a policy change.


What does "cut Biden short" mean? They have no influence on his policies, except maybe issues like domestic minimum wages. I know there's this idea that US business controls the White House, but that's not actually how it works. If it was then these sanctions would have never emerged.

I also see no reason why the companies would increase unemployment, presumably by cutting staff numbers. If they did that they'd make it harder to sell their own items to their home markets. If Chinese consumers start boycotting their products, it will lead to staff layoffs in China first and probably in the Chinese factories that make the goods.

"Better brands"?

I mean, Chinese companies have tried to do that in some ways, often by ripping off foreign brands by tweaking logos or the names. Doesn't always work though.

Why people go for certain brands isn't always because "they're better". It's often about image. Is a Gucci handbag really better than one made by another company for half the price, albeit with a different design? Not necessarily. But other people would say it's better - because it's Gucci.

This isn't even a Chinese thing, countries all around the world have bought into the idea of luxury or premium goods from a select group of companies. If it was easy to just make a "better brand" these companies would not be as big as they are now.

I used to hear plenty of talk that Chinese people would ditch Japanese cars permanently over a decade ago due to Sino-Japanese tensions. Despite the protests and cars being smashed up, Japanese cars remain fairly popular there.


I think you're over-estimating the effect of the pandemic on global wages. The people who regularly bought luxuries and premium items have mostly held on to their jobs. Some may have foregone the latest upgrade of whatever, but the idea that large numbers of important companies are being kept afloat just by Chinese demand is questionable. Profits might be boosted by sales in China, but less profits does not mean falling into the red.

I mean it's a week's delay with ships going around the Cape - not exactly the end of the world.

China has many world beating brands, take a look at how much DJI charges for its products now, or even what used to be tier 2 cell phone players like One-plus, Vivo, Oppo, all which are now charging well over $1,000 on flagship phones. They are still a bit away from samsung/apple, but they have relegated Sony/LG/HTC a few other brands to the dustbin of history. So much for Huawei being the death of high tech china.

everybody knows DJI products are now getting pricy (my most recent drones are $5000), but what can you do if you want the absolute best. Japanese cars are built in China, and to Chinese specs, thats why they sell well. The americans also build cars in China to chinese tastes, and hence they sell well. Anybody that builds anything to a local taste is gonna sell well, just like DJI.
 

j17wang

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I remember 10 years ago, it was claim that american cars sold well because people thought americans cars were high end. Is that still the case?

Jeeps still sell well because it represents american outdoors and adventure. Other american cars sell well because they are not american, i.e. they are locally designed and built, and thus cater to local markets.
 

KYli

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I remember 10 years ago, it was claim that american cars sold well because people thought americans cars were high end. Is that still the case?
Ford and Chrysler have lost most of their market share in China. Don't see a way for them to stage a come back. GM is fortunately to cooperate with SAIC and control significant share in Wuling. Otherwise, GM wouldn't do much better than Ford and Chrysler.
 

emblem21

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Ford and Chrysler have lost most of their market share in China. Don't see a way for them to stage a come back. GM is fortunately to cooperate with SAIC and control significant share in Wuling. Otherwise, GM wouldn't do much better than Ford and Chrysler.
Funny how these companies are literally in a position where if they take yet another idiotic view in regards to China that China can conveniently get rid of them if biden Decides to be cheeky again. Really with the current situation in America (people not having enough money for cars) and with no one liking American cars, well really I wonder how many of these corporations are going to enjoy losing any chance of survival if they listen to the USA right now since the USA is a dying brand right now. Hate to say it, but none of these shitty cars will be missed because they are serious petrol guzzlers anyway. Also to note is that the car companies in Europe are in no better shape either. Has anyone noticed that Japan is lieterally in the worse possible situation right now where there people are far too weak right now due to working themselves to death, the military is basically bare bones without usa support, the entire economy is suffering from covid even now and yet they seem to try to lecture China in regards to human rights while they have never apologised for ww2, thus ensuring that Chinese still angry even until this day. I honestly wonder, what is the chance for survival right now for Japan in an open fight with China should the USA not be around. Really, deep down, they scared shitless right now
 

Norinco_81

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I remember 10 years ago, it was claim that american cars sold well because people thought americans cars were high end. Is that still the case?
I hope not because having used to work for Hertz after the military I hated just about every American brand car I had to drive. Ford Fiestas with loud rumbling transmissions around only 10K miles. Brand new Dodge Chargers shutting themselves off before I could even drive them off the lot. Those 2014 or 15 models had a big recall so there was a fleet of brand new Chargers just sitting in the lot waiting to be sent back to Dodge lmao.
A coworker rented a Chrysler 300 (we got a nice employee discount) for vacation and it shut itself off on his way back! He had to call a tow truck to get back home.
The Japanese brands were overall still lived up to their reliable reputation and the Korean brands were just as reliable. German luxury brands were still overpriced and finicky but I absolutely enjoyed driving them on the clock!
Jeeps still sell well because it represents american outdoors and adventure. Other american cars sell well because they are not american, i.e. they are locally designed and built, and thus cater to local markets.
Jeeps at Hertz were absolute murican garbage as well! Interiors made with cheap, flimsy materials, no torque and they liked to randomly shut themselves off like the Chryslers and Dodge I mentioned above. Another coworker had to drive a newish one to an auto body shop and it died on the left turn lane right before that shop lol. We had to call a tow truck to get that piece of trash not even 200 ft to that shop haha!
 
Jeeps still sell well because it represents american outdoors and adventure. Other american cars sell well because they are not american, i.e. they are locally designed and built, and thus cater to local markets.
I hope the Jeep sold in China are exponentially better than the ones sold in NA.
Piece of crap and only good for off-road driving, You are unlikely to feel the wobble handling when driving off-road.
 

AssassinsMace

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When will the world declare the US a terrorist state?

The US has been crying for the US to decouple from China and now since China is agreeing they're upset warning China not to. They're looking out for what's best for China and they believe it'll be bad for China to do the very thing they want...? What did they think what decoupling would do when they were calling for it? Just like when Americans threaten their military on countries, it's meant to terrorize the people they're threatening. They want to see begging and pleading because they want see people fearing for their lives. They're terrorists. Same thing going on here. They use the tactics of fear that China will collapse without being connected to their economy but when something unexpected like China agreeing to decouple means there's no terror and fear over it. They get no satisfaction from their terrorism if China is not in fear of it. They have no sense of power over China. On top of that it was a bluff because why not decouple if they don't need China. If you don't need China, why are they whining about boycotts of Nike and H&M? The threat to decouple has always been a bluff. They're were just hoping China blinks first.
 
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