Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

[BlackWindMnt]

It appears like US clothing chain H&M will be killed in the Chinese market in retaliation for Uyghur issue just as S. Korean supermarket chain Lotte was killed over the THAAD issue. Sometimes, the only message Americans and their dogs understand is strength.

Hit them where it hurts the most, not their soul but their wallet.

 

[siegecrossbow]

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Sometimes a comedian cuts through foreign policy issues better than any diplomat. Bill Maher did that the other week with an

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on U.S.-

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relations, nailing the most troubling contrast between the two countries: China can still get big things done. America, not so much.

For many of our political leaders, governing has become sports, entertainment or just mindless tribal warfare. No wonder China’s leaders see us as a nation in imperial decline, living off the leftover fumes of American “exceptionalism.” I wish I could say they were all wrong.

“New Rule: You’re not going to win the battle for the 21st century if you are a ‘silly people.’ And Americans are a silly people,” said Maher. “That’s the classic phrase from ‘Lawrence of Arabia’ — when Lawrence tells his Bedouin allies that as long as they stay a bunch of squabbling tribes, they will remain ‘a silly people.’ …

“We all know China does bad stuff. They break promises about Hong Kong autonomy; they put Uyghurs in camps and punish dissent. And we don’t want to be that. But it’s got to be something between authoritarian government that tells everyone what to do and a representative government that can’t do anything at all.”

Maher added: “On a national level, we’ve been having Infrastructure Week every week since 2009, but we never do anything. Half the country is having a never-ending ‘woke’ competition. … The other half believes we have to stop the lizard people, because they’re eating babies. … China sees a problem and they fix it. They build a dam. We debate what to rename it.”

Yes, China has huge problems. Its leaders are not 10 feet tall, but they are focused on real metrics of success. “China’s leaders are fierce but fragile,” argues

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, the chairman of the consultancy APCO Worldwide, Greater China. “Precisely because they were not elected, they wake up every day scared of their own people, and that makes them very focused on performance” — particularly around jobs, housing and clean air.

By contrast, many U.S. politicians these days are elected from safe, gerrymandered districts and seek to stay in power by just “performing” for their base with populist theatrics.

Whenever I point this out, critics on the far right or far left ridiculously respond, “Oh, so you love China.” Actually, I am not interested in China. I care about America. My goal is to frighten us out of our complacency by getting more Americans to understand that China can be really evil AND really focused on

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and building its infrastructure and adopting best practices in business and science and promoting government bureaucrats on merit — all at the same time. Condemning China for the former will have zero impact if we’re not its equal in all of the latter.

At last week’s Alaska meeting between America’s and China’s top diplomats, Chinese officials made it quite clear that they no longer fear our criticism, because they don’t respect us as they once did, and they don’t think the rest of the world does, either. Or as Yang Jiechi, China’s top foreign affairs policymaker,

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: “The United States does not have the qualification … to speak to China from a position of strength.”

Surprised? What did you think, that the Chinese didn’t notice that our last president inspired his followers to ransack our Capitol, that a majority of his party did not recognize the results of our democratic election, that a member of our Congress believes that Jewish-run space lasers cause forest fires, that left-wing anarchists were allowed to take over a section of downtown Portland, creating havoc for months, that during the pandemic the U.S. printed money to help its consumers keep spending — much of it on Chinese-made goods — while China printed money to

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[siegecrossbow]

Continued...

You think they didn’t notice?
Which brings me to the 2022 Winter Olympics, scheduled for China.
A rising number of voices are beginning to suggest that we boycott the China Games. I have sympathy with that call, as we watch China crush the infrastructure of democracy in Hong Kong and use internment camps to brutally suppress Uyghur Muslims in Xinjiang with utter indifference to world opinion. How do we just ignore all that and focus on ice skating?
But here’s the thing: The competition that we really need to focus on winning is not the 2022 Olympics but the 2025 Olympics.
Oh, you haven’t heard of the 2025 Olympics? They are not on your NBC calendar? Well, they are on Chinese President Xi Jinping’s calendar. Xi unilaterally declared the 2025 Olympics in 2015 and suggested that there would be only two competitors: China and America. It was an initiative that Xi’s government called “Made in China 2025.”
It was a 10-year plan to modernize China’s manufacturing base by massively investing government resources to dominate what Xi defined as the

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of the 21st century, and he was implicitly daring America to go head-to-head.
The industries include artificial intelligence; electric cars and other new energy vehicles; 5G telecommunications; robotics; new agricultural technologies; aerospace and maritime engineering; synthetic materials; and biomedicine.
And just a few weeks ago, when China issued its 14th five-year plan, to run through 2025, Xi basically doubled down on his government’s investment in “innovation-driven development.” Message to America: We will try to beat you at your own game so we will never, ever again be dependent on you for high-tech goods.

My message to China is: Be careful. Some of your diplomats sound awfully arrogant. As the proverb says: “Pride goeth before destruction, and a haughty spirit before a fall.” America still excels in a lot of areas.

But my message to my fellow Americans is: We now have to return to and double down on what was our formula for success.

And that is: educating our work force up to and beyond whatever technology demands; building the world’s best infrastructure of ports, roads and telecommunications; attracting the world’s most energetic and high-I.Q. immigrants to enrich our universities and start new businesses; legislating the best regulations to incentivize risk-taking while curbing recklessness; and steadily increasing government-funded research to push out the boundaries of science so our entrepreneurs can turn the most promising new ideas into start-ups.

On this front there is some hope, noted McGregor: “Congress has begun sorting through the hundreds of China bills introduced in the last Congress to forge bipartisan legislation to invest in science and technology, R&D and U.S. leadership in the same technologies that China has declared as the next frontiers.” And President Biden is talking about spending trillions!

Nothing could be more important. Because good ideas — respect for human rights, democracy, an independent judiciary, free markets, protection for minorities — don’t just win in the world because they are good ideas. They diffuse and are embraced because others see them producing justice, power, wealth, opportunity and stability in countries that practice them.

American ideals infused every global institution in the 20th century because we were powerful, and we were powerful because more often than not we implemented our ideals.

But, if we as a country continue to act as we have of late — “dumb as we want to be” — then our power will be diminished and with it the power of our ideals. We will have steadily less influence on China and on the world at large no matter how loudly we chant “U.S.A., U.S.A., U.S.A.” So, let’s make sure we win the Olympics that count.

 

[voyager1]

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Meh the motives of these kinds of articles are disgustingly obvious.

Because they cant unite the US for the common good of the people, they try to scaremonger that the Chinese threat is near so that everybody unites against a common enemy.

And this is why America is in decline, when you need external threats to unite you are already declining.

Plus, this is not good for China because now everyone will get a more aggressive approach towards China because even the "soft" Democrats are riding the wave of "China bad, China is a threat"

 

[solarz]

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Seems like the US has moved from "I have no problems" to "I have problems but I am talking about it".

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

The real comedians are 脱口秀, not these Western 'comedians' like Bill Maher who are just clowns.

 

[AssassinsMace]

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How is that bad for China unless they plan to force these countries to obey and follow them as they hypocritically charge China is going to do. Is the US going to buy these countries' products to assure loyalty? The fact is the richer people become, the more independent they are and that's bad for the US whose power comes from countries being dependent on them. It is the US that needs countries poor for them to be dependent on them or harmless to their interests. Japan threatened to have their own Asia development plan to counter China. Do it! It just pays for China wanted in the first place. It is they who want countries dependent on them meaning they will have to cough up cash to make sure they're loyal. The world is filled with countries that the US ignored. It'll be just that more expensive to buy their loyalty. The US wouldn't be calling for others countries to help them against China if they had the money.

 

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How is that bad for China unless they plan to force these countries to obey and follow them as they hypocritically charge China is going to do. Is the US going to buy these countries' products to assure loyalty? The fact is the richer people become, the more independent they are and that's bad for the US whose power comes from countries being dependent on them. It is the US that needs countries poor for them to be dependent on them or harmless to their interests. Japan threatened to have their own Asia development plan to counter China. Do it! It just pays for China wanted in the first place. It is they who want countries dependent on them meaning they will have to cough up cash to make sure they're loyal. The world is filled with countries that the US ignored. It'll be just that more expensive to buy their loyalty. The US wouldn't be calling for others countries to help them against China if they had the money.

I already posted regarding this on the World thread but I will repeat a key point here.

The US will use this plan to exclude China from operating on these markets comprehensively (at least on technology exports).

They will put "human rights concerns", "rules-based international order" and they will also try to promote even more their media there (US foreign policy arm).

So this plan from Biden, if he achieves it, will be a big big headache for China. US wont use this for the betterment of the world, it will use it to trip China

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

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How is that bad for China unless they plan to force these countries to obey and follow them as they hypocritically charge China is going to do. Is the US going to buy these countries' products to assure loyalty? The fact is the richer people become, the more independent they are and that's bad for the US whose power comes from countries being dependent on them. It is the US that needs countries poor for them to be dependent on them or harmless to their interests. Japan threatened to have their own Asia development plan to counter China. Do it! It just pays for China wanted in the first place. It is they who want countries dependent on them meaning they will have to cough up cash to make sure they're loyal. The world is filled with countries that the US ignored. It'll be just that more expensive to buy their loyalty. The US wouldn't be calling for others countries to help them against China if they had the money.

Didn't the US create an alternative to BRI, called the Blue Dot Network, two years ago? Lol

 

[PhSt]

This is getting hilarious. what were they expecting when they slapped sanctions on Chinese cotton? Arrogant hypocrites

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