Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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Bellum_Romanum

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I too thought about a possibility of the US (or one of its satellites) arresting Chinese leaders when I heard the news that China is meeting with the US in Alaska. (I also remember the happening long time ago about the Spanish court issuing an arrest warrant for the former Chinese president Jiang Zemin. Aside from Canada's kidnapping of Huawei's executive, I also remember a case that Europe set up a trap to lure a Chinese national to travel to Europe to capture him for an attempted theft of BAE technology.)

The problem for China in such an event would be, since it's the US who planned and started, the US and its allies would have known the plan of trap in advance, thus none of their important figures would be in China at the time it happens and from then on. The resulting situation is the US takes hostage of top level Chinese diplomats or even the president, but China has no equivalent to arrest in reciprocal retaliation. The US has the upper hand. China could arrest ordinary US citizens instead, but then the US can do the same, so it's not equal. In that case, would China go for a military war with them? I'm not sure.

The leaders of Iran or North Korea would never enter any US territory in fear of that. China is much more powerful than those countries so the US should be much less likely to dare such an act though. I think there still is a possibility and China should be always careful of and prepared for even small possibilities.
Then if that's even on their stupid agenda they call "strategy" then they can kiss the so called rule of law, international law good f..ng bye.

The world will be in chaos and regardless of how much negative views the world see China at the moment the wanton arrest of another country's leader will backfire against the U.S. and it's western 5 eyes allies.

War will happen and must happen because to do anything less would be tantamount to a surrender and subjugation of the country to another power without firing a single shot. That's another level of humiliation if China were to exercise nothing.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Yup I read the article It is nothing but day dream and misguided policy I mean it is not that they didn't try before From 1949 until today from Dalai Lama 2009 Tibet riot and Xinjiang Riot to Jasmine spring all of them ended it up in failure. Nor sure if they can even success to isolate China.
It is barking dog while the caravan move
Since actions speak louder than words, Western pundits, politicians and media are delusional in saying the world is isolating China.
Here is a good article by Ken Moak
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India and China, for example, pulled back troops along some parts of their border as a gesture of easing boundary disputes. The two countries also seem to understand that cooperation is far more beneficial than confrontation. A case in point is India’s easing of restrictions on Chinese investment in the country, a decision likely to boost Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s “Make in India” policy in propelling the country to become an industrial power.
Japan, a staunch US ally, has appeared to walk a cautious line on its relations with Washington, valuing economic interests over geopolitical differences. Japan needs to revive its economy and end the Covid-19 pandemic, thus has neither the appetite nor resources to confront China unnecessarily.
Even European allies such as the UK, France and Germany, while sending warships in support of a “free and open Indo-Pacific,” are cautious in trying not to stoke tensions with the Dragon. France, for example, said its ships would not sail within China’s 12-mile exclusive economic zone and President Emmanuel Macron insisted the European Union is carrying out an independent foreign policy with respect to China.
Therefore, it is difficult to see how the “world” is isolating China, particularly as it is donating vaccines to more than 50 countries to address the pandemic; investing hundreds of billions of dollars in more than 80 countries that are participating in its BRI; being the biggest trade partner to some 125 countries; just to list a few of its globalist activities.
The US, on the other hand, is not sharing its vaccines with any country, including close allies and partners Canada and Mexico.
Since actions speak louder than words, Western pundits, politicians and media are delusional in saying the world is isolating China.
Ken Moak taught economic theory, public policy and globalization at university level for 33 years. He co-authored a book titled China’s Economic Rise and Its Global Impact in 2015. His second book, Developed Nations and the Economic Impact of Globalization, was published by Palgrave McMillan Springer.
 

weig2000

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We will see what happens in the Alaska meeting next week. Ideally the meeting should produce a framework so that diplomats from each side can form working groups with each other to cover specific areas of managing the relationship of US-China

I wouldn't raise my expectation too high. The US and China are set for structural and entrenched competition for years to come. The respective domestic consensus has been built and are taking shape. The best is for the two sides to manage the competition without getting into some dangerous conflicts. Biden is not in a position domestically to make any big move. They will continue to irate China by wading into what China considers its core interest or internal affairs: HK, Xinjiang, Taiwan, SCS and will not loosen up on tech restrictions. By comparison, tariffs are now relatively minor issue.

Still, talking is better than no communication at all.
 

voyager1

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I wouldn't raise my expectation too high. The US and China are set for structural and entrenched competition for years to come. The respective domestic consensus has been built and are taking shape. The best is for the two sides to manage the competition without getting into some dangerous conflicts. Biden is not in a position domestically to make any big move. They will continue to irate China by wading into what China considers its core interest or internal affairs: HK, Xinjiang, Taiwan, SCS and will not loosen up on tech restrictions. By comparison, tariffs are now relatively minor issue.

Still, talking is better than no communication at all.
Agreed. However i think we will see strategic confrontation taking priority over cooperation and competition. Nevertheless strategic competition would be very interesting to witness as we could probably see evolution on the political and administrative systems of China and the Western democratic world
 

gadgetcool5

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US should rethink Taiwan 'strategic ambiguity': Indo-Pacific chief​

When asked by Sen. Rick Scott, a Republican from Florida, whether it was time for the U.S. to "state clearly that we are not going to allow communist China to invade and subdue Taiwan," Davidson did not shoot it down.

"I wake up every day, you know, trying to assess the dynamic nature of the geostrategic environment, and you know, frankly we ought to be thinking about these things every day," Davidson said.

"More than 40 years of the strategic ambiguity ... has helped keep Taiwan and its current status, but you know these things should be reconsidered routinely," he said, adding, "I would look forward to the conversation."

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Comment: If the US ends strategic ambiguity, China could be forced into an option of only two choices - go to war with the U.S. or grant Taiwan independence.
 

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Comment: If the US ends strategic ambiguity, China could be forced into an option of only two choices - go to war with the U.S. or grant Taiwan independence.
China probably will attack India first, then invade Taiwan.

Last time the Indians thought they had an opening, there was more trouble along the border.
 

gadgetcool5

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China probably will attack India first, then invade Taiwan.

Last time the Indians thought they had an opening, there was more trouble along the border.
War with India AND the U.S.? Great . . . I think China should also attack VN, PH, JPN, SK, RU, IR, the EU, etc. just declare war on the whole world while you're at it. That will mean China wins for sure! /s
 
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