Ladakh Flash Point

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Oldschool

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June 15, 2020 first encounter, there was 10 Chinese soldiers at the valley and suddenly swarm of Indian soldiers in 600s climbed from the hill and entered the valley. They armed with clubs and shield. They started to attack despite Chinese commander raised up his hand and wanted a dialogue but got attacked.
Chinese soldiers called for backup.
If I were the chinese soldier and seeing so many opposing enemy swaming forward, I would open fire. Even If it was forbidden by higher rank. This is for self defense.

The reinforcement came and fought the I dians off. Total number of Chinese soldiers including the reinforcement was in 70s. Almost 10 to 1 ratio.

Indian army is using overwhelming number to overrun PLA.

Next time, just to fire. No
 

jfy1155

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June 15, 2020 first encounter, there was 10 Chinese soldiers at the valley and suddenly swarm of Indian soldiers in 600s climbed from the hill and entered the valley. They armed with clubs and shield. They started to attack despite Chinese commander raised up his hand and wanted a dialogue but got attacked.
Chinese soldiers called for backup.
If I were the chinese soldier and seeing so many opposing enemy swaming forward, I would open fire. Even If it was forbidden by higher rank. This is for self defense.

The reinforcement came and fought the I dians off. Total number of Chinese soldiers including the reinforcement was in 70s. Almost 10 to 1 ratio.
India lied to the world about being "unarmed" and "outnumbered".
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PiSigma

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June 15, 2020 first encounter, there was 10 Chinese soldiers at the valley and suddenly swarm of Indian soldiers in 600s climbed from the hill and entered the valley. They armed with clubs and shield. They started to attack despite Chinese commander raised up his hand and wanted a dialogue but got attacked.
Chinese soldiers called for backup.
If I were the chinese soldier and seeing so many opposing enemy swaming forward, I would open fire. Even If it was forbidden by higher rank. This is for self defense.

The reinforcement came and fought the I dians off. Total number of Chinese soldiers including the reinforcement was in 70s. Almost 10 to 1 ratio.
Lol 1v10 and the Indians still got the asses handed to them... Only reason there are only 20 dead Indians is because the Chinese got so tired of winning.
 

Oldschool

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At pangon so the Indian movement makes sense but at galwan valley?? There is nothing they could accomplish. Even if they take control of the valley they are still at the mountain. After descending the mountain, the huge plain of aksai chin is waiting for them where Chinese heavy tanks and artilley will be waiting for them.

Same with western Depsang plain where indian tank unit located. Indian just occupied a small section of the plain. Depsang plain is somehow connected to plain of aksai chin in certain area. Chinese tanks can move forward and wipe India unit out because they have no reinforcement as their western Depsang plain is at foot hill of the mountain range , with nowhere to go. North, south , east all mountains.
 

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Xi Yazhou's latest video on how to conduct a punitive campaign against India should the need arise in the future.

He submits that an all out attack to destroy India as a nation and cause it to fracture into multiple parts is within PLA's capability but extremely unlikely to actually take place.

The most likely scenario is 1962 2.0, a limited engagement where PLA attack with the goal of wiping out a corps sized unit but not to gain ground permanently. IA's level of mechanisation is far shy of PLA and they lack sufficient armour and modern artillery force so that in mobile war a corps sized unit could easily be isolated, surrounded, pined down and then destroyed by PLA. In an engagement of this size several thousand PoWs are likely.

However Xi Yazhou says an attack like this, being a modern day replay of 1962 although very degrading to the Indian elites does not actually cause much long lasting damage considering their million strong army. The result is thus likely to be same as 1962 - India would calm down for several years, maybe a decade then things would return to same old.

Instead Xi Yazhou proposes an alternative - destroy half of Indian air force and/or their nuclear capability using similar tactics as NATO did during the Kosovo War. PLAGF are to hold their position on the ground and not go on the offensive while PLAAF and PLARF are to conduct the offence from their air. A PLARF ballistic missile attack with about 100 missiles will only give warning of several minutes and paralyse all military air fields in northern India. This is then followed up for several days with PLAAF air strike and further missile attacks with the aim of destroying the majority of SU-30MKI on the ground while runway repairs are under way.

Unlike North Korea or Pakistan, India did not seriously consider attack on their nuclear facility. With almost their entire missile force concentrated at Abdul Kalam Island and lacking mobile launch capabilities an attack with just several medium range ballistic missiles with conventional warhead would almost completely neutralise India's nuclear capability. Should a handful of missiles be launched before the launch site could be destroyed they would make easy targets for HQ-19 interceptors recently demonstrated. This attack is riskier than attack on air force. It does not necessarily have to be carried out concurrently with the above.

An attack like the above, where over the course of a few hours several decades worth of air force or ballistic missile built up goes up in smoke is both psychologically degrading as well as materially painful.

Xi Yazhou also points out that India's missile defense or even missile early warning system are near as to non-existent, thus this attack would not require the latest and greatest such as DF-26 or DF-17. Instead the majority of the work could be carried out with the huge reserve of DF-11, DF-15 and DF-21 that are nearing the end of their service life.
 

jfy1155

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Xi Yazhou's latest video on how to conduct a punitive campaign against India should the need arise in the future.

He submits that an all out attack to destroy India as a nation and cause it to fracture into multiple parts is within PLA's capability but extremely unlikely to actually take place.

The most likely scenario is 1962 2.0, a limited engagement where PLA attack with the goal of wiping out a corps sized unit but not to gain ground permanently. IA's level of mechanisation is far shy of PLA and they lack sufficient armour and modern artillery force so that in mobile war a corps sized unit could easily be isolated, surrounded, pined down and then destroyed by PLA. In an engagement of this size several thousand PoWs are likely.

However Xi Yazhou says an attack like this, being a modern day replay of 1962 although very degrading to the Indian elites does not actually cause much long lasting damage considering their million strong army. The result is thus likely to be same as 1962 - India would calm down for several years, maybe a decade then things would return to same old.

Instead Xi Yazhou proposes an alternative - destroy half of Indian air force and/or their nuclear capability using similar tactics as NATO did during the Kosovo War. PLAGF are to hold their position on the ground and not go on the offensive while PLAAF and PLARF are to conduct the offence from their air. A PLARF ballistic missile attack with about 100 missiles will only give warning of several minutes and paralyse all military air fields in northern India. This is then followed up for several days with PLAAF air strike and further missile attacks with the aim of destroying the majority of SU-30MKI on the ground while runway repairs are under way.

Unlike North Korea or Pakistan, India did not seriously consider attack on their nuclear facility. With almost their entire missile force concentrated at Abdul Kalam Island and lacking mobile launch capabilities an attack with just several medium range ballistic missiles with conventional warhead would almost completely neutralise India's nuclear capability. Should a handful of missiles be launched before the launch site could be destroyed they would make easy targets for HQ-19 interceptors recently demonstrated. This attack is riskier than attack on air force. It does not necessarily have to be carried out concurrently with the above.

An attack like the above, where over the course of a few hours several decades worth of air force or ballistic missile built up goes up in smoke is both psychologically degrading as well as materially painful.

Xi Yazhou also points out that India's missile defense or even missile early warning system are near as to non-existent, thus this attack would not require the latest and greatest such as DF-26 or DF-17. Instead the majority of the work could be carried out with the huge reserve of DF-11, DF-15 and DF-21 that are nearing the end of their service life.
According to Indians their Brahmos missiles will win the war against China
 

Cyclist

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Except China's perception is beyond the buffer zone, which was a compromise. China initially asked India to vacate the entire Galwan valley, vacate Dhan SIngh Thapa, and stop building infrastructure in Chinese claimed territory. India refused all those demands, which is why there was a stalemate until India occupied heights on the southern bank. It was China that had to withdraw on the Pangong north bank and dismantle infrastructure. That is the exact opposite of a "fait accompli"

Also, the pangong conflict started nearly a month before the Galwan conflict. And satellite imagery clearly show Chinese troops, as seen in the video, attempted to cross the lac and build structures in previously undisputed territory that it now claims in its 1959 line.
I think you really need to start to read all the posts from the first page. Ladakh Flash Point

The main chain of events:
India intruded China's perception of LAC line > Galwan clash > China repelled intruders > China move forward to protect and enforce LAC line > India does not dare to cross anymore > negotiation > disengagement.

The whole area is undemarcated but China has a line that can not be crossed and that is China's perception of LAC line. India tried to intrude, China repelled it. China has been able to enforce its perception of LAC line all time. China move back from its perception LAC line to create a buffer by itself and India respect that line and doesn't dare to cross it. It is a fait accompli that China secured its border. China successfully protect its territory.

From a failed attempt of invasion from India and got beaten, China has successfully taught India a lesson not to mess up with China, it is really weird now some Indians try to change the narrative that it is somehow their objective after all to maintain a status quo. From the past year, we now know who we can trust more, China has been consistent from the start about the true event and it has many proofs to back it up.
 
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