Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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localizer

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An opinion on the cohesiveness of the US as a nation of diverse ethnicity. China, on the other hand, is a civilizational state with thousands of years history. As the world's most populous country, China is a much more cohesive nation than any other large countries and, at this point in its history, is also very united. It will be interesting to observe the competition between the two in the decades to come.

America’s best hope of hanging together is China​

Without an external foe to rail against, the nation turns on itself
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One of the first battles in the American civil war took place near a Missouri town that it amused fate to name Carthage. Two millennia before, the Romans sacked the original, only to turn against themselves in the ensuing peace. Metus hostilis, fear of the enemy, had kept the republic together, wrote the historian Sallust, a favourite of the US founders. Without it, discord and corruption had licence to breed.

If the US is always recruiting for a Carthage (Gore Vidal referred to its “enemy of the month club”) it is not because of an innate militarism. It is just that peace can be a psychic ordeal. Without an ethnic basis, a nation can need something outside to define itself against. The civil war happened after the US trounced the closest thing it had to a local threat in Mexico. Urban strife grew between the world wars: it was armed mobilisation, not just the New Deal, that bound ethnic Italians, Poles and Irish into a civic whole. As for the cold war, note the surge in partisanship after its end. Unanimous confirmations of Supreme Court nominees are one proxy-measure of a co-operative Washington. There has not been one since 1988.

An unchallenged US is a divided US. It follows that America’s best hope of retaining some cohesion in the coming decades is a mighty China. What is disastrous for its relative power in the world might turn out to be a godsend for its internal cohesion. Decline has its uses.

None of the other answers to the nation’s disunity is even faintly adequate. Better-regulated social media, more competitive congressional districts: these reforms are sensible on their own terms. But the mismatch between the depth of the problem and the fiddliness of the solutions is the definition of bathos.

“Bring back weekly bipartisan Senate meetings” and “Bring back patriotic art” are other ideas that do the trivial rounds. Because they give up so much to acquire power, politicians tend to overrate how much policy can ever achieve against structural and historical forces. The US did not enter an age of discord because of some technical faults in its political system. It will not escape the mire by fixing them.

Only an external foe can do that. But not just any will do. The US requires two things of an enemy: vast scale (to induce fear) and a different model of government (for a sense of otherness). The absence of the first is why al-Qaeda turned out to be such a fleeting adhesive on US society after the September 11 2001 atrocities. As lethal as it is, terror — even the word is an abstract noun — is too diffuse and de-territorialised a thing. As to the second condition, boom-era Japan, a fellow democracy, lacked it and so never crossed from daunting commercial rival to nation-binding enemy.

China scores extravagantly well on both counts. Even Americans who do not mind the loss of world primacy can object to the usurper’s political model.

It is tempting to invert the causality here. Perhaps it is not a common enemy that unifies the nation. Rather, only a unified nation can agree on a common enemy.

But recent events suggest otherwise. In his first month as president, Joe Biden has undone almost every eye-catching tenet of Donald Trump’s foreign policy. The US is rejoining the UN Human Rights Council. It is open to a revival of the Iran nuclear pact, with conditions. Relations with Saudi Arabia are colder. In a virtual G7 summit on Friday, Biden will continue his rapprochement with familiar allies.

The one line of rough continuity is China. Beijing threatens to “eat our lunch”, says Biden. The US faces “extreme competition”. It is with China in mind that his administration is taking a protectionist line on federal procurement and mulling over a coalition of democracies. One of the few subjects of weight on which America has cross-party agreement is China. And this is after just a few years of great-power showdown (2021 is approximately 1948 in cold war terms). If and when the US is overtaken in economic size, the sense of unity in adversity is likelier to deepen than fade.

“We are going to do a terrible thing to you,” Georgi Arbatov, the Soviet adviser, is said to have told an American audience in the 1980s. “We are going to deprive you of an enemy.” What a neat but desperate line it must have seemed at the time. How chillingly prescient it now reads. If the deprivation is ending, the US stands to gain in togetherness what it loses in clout. It should not need saying which is more precious.
Lol I was just gonna post this

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Hard to unite when there's racial and wealth issues.
 
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AssassinsMace

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Frankly that shows how evil the US is where hatred and fear of someone else doing better than you is the only thing that keeps a country united. Someone doing better than the US is not a crime in a civilized world. Then what are they going to do about it? Make themselves better or risk war trying undermine those that they see doing better than them? The later of course.
 

KYli

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Same old same old.
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I think it is a little too late as both the Trump and Biden administration have scared so many Chinese born scientists and forced them to return or not consider entering the US.
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Don't expect much from Biden. Just hopefully no further deterioration of the relationship between China and the US.
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daifo

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Follow the money... Xi understands that money corrupts , hence the corruption purges. There is huge amount of money involved with the military defense industry and associate federal offices. Just a scarey story of Chinese hackers will benefit a whole line of overprice contractors/subcontractors for various gov agency.
 

KYli

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The author has too much wishful thinking and underestimate the rapid development of the Chinese aviation industry both commercial and military. In addition, being the biggest aviation country in the near future give China enormous leverage and potential. Any real threat to delay or derail Chinese aviation industry would only embolden the domestic industry and self-reliance.
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The USA aviation industry cannot survive the coming months if they cannot get travel back right now lol. At least China has airbus and the incentive to make there own planes and has prove time and again that no challenge is impossible to over come. I am interested to see if anyone is willing to fly on a Boeing again, especially when it’s the 737 max.
These American fantasies are getting crazier and crazier by the day.
Personally these media liars should be line up and shot because since the article is behind a pay wall, it means we are paying for crap, not the truth
 

AssassinsMace

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Watching Biden doing a CNN town hall on right now. I was amazed Biden dared to say China was humiliated by outsiders and therefore they have a differing view of the points of criticism from what Americans see. Normally it's only the Western way of seeing things and no other. Then he mentioned how China is xenophobic hence they don't want foreigners living in China. I thought China is a horrible place to live in general so why would anyone want to live in China for anyone to complain?
 

localizer

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Watching Biden doing a CNN town hall on right now. I was amazed Biden dared to say China was humiliated by outsiders and therefore they have a differing view of the points of criticism from what Americans see. Normally it's only the Western way of seeing things and no other. Then he mentioned how China is xenophobic hence they don't want foreigners living in China. I thought China is a horrible place to live in general so why would anyone want to live in China for anyone to complain?
u're a brave man, i could never listen to trump or biden for more than a 10-20 seconds.
 

j17wang

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Frankly that shows how evil the US is where hatred and fear of someone else doing better than you is the only thing that keeps a country united. Someone doing better than the US is not a crime in a civilized world. Then what are they going to do about it? Make themselves better or risk war trying undermine those that they see doing better than them? The later of course.

The best way to describe the evil of the United States is to look at its nearest contemporary analogue, Nazi Germany. Most objective commentators agree America succeeded where Nazi germany failed, which was the wholesale eradication of its enemies (namely the aboriginal civilizations) allowing it to have unchallenged domination. That America needs an enemy to maintain its conquered territories is simply par for the course.
 
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