Discussing Biden's Potential China Policy

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AssassinsMace

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That's because Asians know American's racism can be easily manipulated into serving their interests. Asians know they can't trick other Asians as much as they can Americans into serving their nationalism. Back in the 80's everyone in Asia hated Japan. Americans saw Japan as a greater threat than the Soviet Union.
 

AndrewS

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US attitude towards HSR

there's also a big issue with transportation to final destinations

The author also conveniently ignores that the Chinese high-speed rail system generates an economic return of 8% per year, as per the World Bank assessement.

After all, there is a niche between 300-1000km where high-speed rail is better than airplanes or cars.

High-speed rail is most certainly not obsolete in China.
 
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Gatekeeper

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US attitude towards HSR

there's also a big issue with transportation to final destinations

The author also conveniently ignores that the Chinese high-speed rail system generates an economic return of 8% per year, as per the World Bank assessement.

After all, there is a niche between 300-1000km where high-speed rail is better than airplanes or cars.

High-speed rail is most certainly not obsolete in China.

Come on guys. It's the Cato institute for crying out loud. The most rabid right wing economists in the world. Basically anything publicly funded or run to them is anti-christ. All disguise as "libertarian". When ever i want a good laugh, I get my students to do a piece on them. These people that think public privided and run institution is such a bad thing. But yet happily accept public money, and public institutions like the armed forces, police forces, education. Etc.

Enough said!
 

AndrewS

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Come on guys. It's the Cato institute for crying out loud. The most rabid right wing economists in the world. Basically anything publicly funded or run to them is anti-christ. All disguise as "libertarian". When ever i want a good laugh, I get my students to do a piece on them. These people that think public privided and run institution is such a bad thing. But yet happily accept public money, and public institutions like the armed forces, police forces, education. Etc.

Enough said!

I agree

But it's funny when you see ideology unable to recognise the reality on the ground.
 
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HybridHypothesis

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Come on guys. It's the Cato institute for crying out loud. The most rabid right wing economists in the world. Basically anything publicly funded or run to them is anti-christ. All disguise as "libertarian". When ever i want a good laugh, I get my students to do a piece on them. These people that think public privided and run institution is such a bad thing. But yet happily accept public money, and public institutions like the armed forces, police forces, education. Etc.

Enough said!

Cato and libertarians are useful idiots at the end of the day. Their entire worldview is epistemologically wrong and ahistorical.
 

SilentObserver

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The author also conveniently ignores that the Chinese high-speed rail system generates an economic return of 8% per year, as per the World Bank assessement.

After all, there is a niche between 300-1000km where high-speed rail is better than airplanes or cars.

High-speed rail is most certainly not obsolete in China.

Come on guys. It's the Cato institute for crying out loud. The most rabid right wing economists in the world. Basically anything publicly funded or run to them is anti-christ. All disguise as "libertarian". When ever i want a good laugh, I get my students to do a piece on them. These people that think public privided and run institution is such a bad thing. But yet happily accept public money, and public institutions like the armed forces, police forces, education. Etc.

Enough said!
CATO institute has the Koch Brothers on their board of directors. They've been funding a network of right wing institutions to change American policies to fit their interests and world view.

Many Americans are actually in support of HSR and do see the benefits.

This piece is not aimed at China, it's to maintain the market share and government support for traditional automobile, oil and airline industries within the US.
 

Gatekeeper

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CATO institute has the Koch Brothers on their board of directors. They've been funding a network of right wing institutions to change American policies to fit their interests and world view.

Many Americans are actually in support of HSR and do see the benefits.

This piece is not aimed at China, it's to maintain the market share and government support for traditional automobile, oil and airline industries within the US.

No definately not aimed at China. In fact I'm quiet please for this 'distraction'. While they try to divert us public opinons away from the benefits of infrastructure investment. It only means US economy is falling further behind. Good news for China.
 

AssassinsMace

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The fact is everything cost more for the US. When Americans say they support HSR, they're not thinking about the costs. I was watching Bill Maher's show a few weeks back and he said it took three years just to get a permit to build a 5X5 shed in his backyard. And now it's been over three years and still waiting for a permit to put solar panels on his house. With that kind bureaucracy HSR coast to coast will never be realized.
 

weig2000

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An opinion on the cohesiveness of the US as a nation of diverse ethnicity. China, on the other hand, is a civilizational state with thousands of years history. As the world's most populous country, China is a much more cohesive nation than any other large countries and, at this point in its history, is also very united. It will be interesting to observe the competition between the two in the decades to come.

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One of the first battles in the American civil war took place near a Missouri town that it amused fate to name Carthage. Two millennia before, the Romans sacked the original, only to turn against themselves in the ensuing peace. Metus hostilis, fear of the enemy, had kept the republic together, wrote the historian Sallust, a favourite of the US founders. Without it, discord and corruption had licence to breed.

If the US is always recruiting for a Carthage (Gore Vidal referred to its “enemy of the month club”) it is not because of an innate militarism. It is just that peace can be a psychic ordeal. Without an ethnic basis, a nation can need something outside to define itself against. The civil war happened after the US trounced the closest thing it had to a local threat in Mexico. Urban strife grew between the world wars: it was armed mobilisation, not just the New Deal, that bound ethnic Italians, Poles and Irish into a civic whole. As for the cold war, note the surge in partisanship after its end. Unanimous confirmations of Supreme Court nominees are one proxy-measure of a co-operative Washington. There has not been one since 1988.

An unchallenged US is a divided US. It follows that America’s best hope of retaining some cohesion in the coming decades is a mighty China. What is disastrous for its relative power in the world might turn out to be a godsend for its internal cohesion. Decline has its uses.

None of the other answers to the nation’s disunity is even faintly adequate. Better-regulated social media, more competitive congressional districts: these reforms are sensible on their own terms. But the mismatch between the depth of the problem and the fiddliness of the solutions is the definition of bathos.

“Bring back weekly bipartisan Senate meetings” and “Bring back patriotic art” are other ideas that do the trivial rounds. Because they give up so much to acquire power, politicians tend to overrate how much policy can ever achieve against structural and historical forces. The US did not enter an age of discord because of some technical faults in its political system. It will not escape the mire by fixing them.

Only an external foe can do that. But not just any will do. The US requires two things of an enemy: vast scale (to induce fear) and a different model of government (for a sense of otherness). The absence of the first is why al-Qaeda turned out to be such a fleeting adhesive on US society after the September 11 2001 atrocities. As lethal as it is, terror — even the word is an abstract noun — is too diffuse and de-territorialised a thing. As to the second condition, boom-era Japan, a fellow democracy, lacked it and so never crossed from daunting commercial rival to nation-binding enemy.

China scores extravagantly well on both counts. Even Americans who do not mind the loss of world primacy can object to the usurper’s political model.

It is tempting to invert the causality here. Perhaps it is not a common enemy that unifies the nation. Rather, only a unified nation can agree on a common enemy.

But recent events suggest otherwise. In his first month as president, Joe Biden has undone almost every eye-catching tenet of Donald Trump’s foreign policy. The US is rejoining the UN Human Rights Council. It is open to a revival of the Iran nuclear pact, with conditions. Relations with Saudi Arabia are colder. In a virtual G7 summit on Friday, Biden will continue his rapprochement with familiar allies.

The one line of rough continuity is China. Beijing threatens to “eat our lunch”, says Biden. The US faces “extreme competition”. It is with China in mind that his administration is taking a protectionist line on federal procurement and mulling over a coalition of democracies. One of the few subjects of weight on which America has cross-party agreement is China. And this is after just a few years of great-power showdown (2021 is approximately 1948 in cold war terms). If and when the US is overtaken in economic size, the sense of unity in adversity is likelier to deepen than fade.

“We are going to do a terrible thing to you,” Georgi Arbatov, the Soviet adviser, is said to have told an American audience in the 1980s. “We are going to deprive you of an enemy.” What a neat but desperate line it must have seemed at the time. How chillingly prescient it now reads. If the deprivation is ending, the US stands to gain in togetherness what it loses in clout. It should not need saying which is more precious.
 
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