Hong-Kong Protests

[supersnoop]

No. In order to qualify you'll need to pay into the system as in national insurance. (Which is what I'm teaching my students about at the moment). But the U.K. government can circumnavigate that if it wish to.



No. It doesn't show commitment, it showed brain washed and stupidity. It showed they are driven by hatred of all things Chinese. It also showed two face. They are happy to make money out of Hong Kong and China for the last 20 years. But now they want to leave.



Good luck with finding a good well paid job. These jobs are hard to come by for the locals, let alone foreigners.



"Outright racism is rare".

I think you ought to get out more. This maybe so in Canada. Not in the UK. You may find it's not as rare as you think.



No, you can't force people to be patriotic. But then again you shouldn't expect people to be such traitors. For that, I'll never applaud them, because in doing So, we are condoning all the violence in the past year. And they deserved all the insults I can mustered and throw at them.



Couldn't agree more! Further. Just discussing their rationale for leaving is already semi-condoning their actions for the past year.

What we should be discussing is that their leaving is due to Great Britain playing politics, sucked up to Trump, and scoring international brownie points. Not to mention interfering with the internal affairs of another country!

I don't condone what the rioters have done.
However, we can't say for certain that all of these people were rioters.

Also, I have said numerous times in the past, if they hate China so much, they can leave, so I'm being consistent.
Why smash windows, throw firebombs? Just because you hate the government? Not everyone does, so why do you ruin life for people around you? Just leave.

I agree, a lot of them are two-faced. I've read a lot of articles where they work for companies based in Mainland China. So they are too good for China, but not too good for China's money! At the same time, I'm going to be fair. It's not easy to pick up and move, especially if you have no family or support where you're going.

 

[KYli]

I don't condone what the rioters have done.
However, we can't say for certain that all of these people were rioters.

Also, I have said numerous times in the past, if they hate China so much, they can leave, so I'm being consistent.
Why smash windows, throw firebombs? Just because you hate the government? Not everyone does, so why do you ruin life for people around you? Just leave.

I agree, a lot of them are two-faced. I've read a lot of articles where they work for companies based in Mainland China. So they are too good for China, but not too good for China's money! At the same time, I'm going to be fair. It's not easy to pick up and move, especially if you have no family or support where you're going.

Not dissing them but there are 1 million Hong Kongers with foreign passports living in HK. These are the people who left HK before the handover and returned afterward due to the fact that they can't make a living in Canada, Australia, the US or the UK. It is fair to say that many people never really think this through before making the move. Many of them would regret their decision.

Unlike my ancestors or many overseas Chinese ancestors who can endorse hardship and went around the world to make a living or settle, these youngsters don't have the mentality to face obstacles. If you have seemed the interview and articles about them, you would know many of them are thinking that by having a few millions HKD and work as cashiers or delivery guys in Chinatown should be enough. And most of them haven't been to UK or check out a rental or schools before making the move. It will be a disaster for many of them. Not that I don't support them for leaving but wouldn't want them to come back to Hong Kong afterward.

 

[NiuBiDaRen]

British imperialism was a force for good



Brown Man's Burden

 

[Gatekeeper]

I don't condone what the rioters have done.
However, we can't say for certain that all of these people were rioters.

Also, I have said numerous times in the past, if they hate China so much, they can leave, so I'm being consistent.
Why smash windows, throw firebombs? Just because you hate the government? Not everyone does, so why do you ruin life for people around you? Just leave.

I agree, a lot of them are two-faced. I've read a lot of articles where they work for companies based in Mainland China. So they are too good for China, but not too good for China's money! At the same time, I'm going to be fair. It's not easy to pick up and move, especially if you have no family or support where you're going.

Well @supersnoop

I know you are peaceful man. And you see goods in everyone. So I'm definately not saying you're condoning the used condoms attempts at destroying the very society that Hong Kong is, and has provided them with shelter, food, free education. Basically their livelihood.

What I was trying to point out, mainly to members here, that the use of these words in your previous post thus give one an impression, that, at least on some level, an empathy to their plight that they don't deserved.

Words like:

'Commitment'
'Good for them'
'I wouldn't insult them'
'Applaud them'
'Not all people are rioters'

So let's go through them one at a time.

'Commitment' if they have Commitment, they should stay and carry on the fight till the end. Remember the slogan. Five demands not one less? Remember the 'chief' in the polytechnic university who say 'I'll never leave unless it's in a coffin lol.

'Good for them' so it's good to run away. Interesting outlook.

'I wouldn't insult them' 'applaud them'

what have they don't to deserve your admiration?So they get applauded for "escaping" from the freest society in the world?

'Not all people are rioters'

This is beginning to sound like an apologies for their riots. These people might not actually participated in riots (although we don't know that). But they sure remain silent at the very least all through out the 12 months of chaos. In fact most of these people actively support rioters by donations and other means.

So while I agree that you are not condoning the riots. But you sure sound like an apologies for it.

These people are not brave people because they are seeking a new and better life like our parents before them. These people are delusional, they believe they are escaping from tyranny! That's the difference. So by trying to compare them to mine and other ex pats parents is quite insulting really.

 

[Gatekeeper]

Not dissing them but there are 1 million Hong Kongers with foreign passports living in HK. These are the people who left HK before the handover and returned afterward due to the fact that they can't make a living in Canada, Australia, the US or the UK. It is fair to say that many people never really think this through before making the move. Many of them would regret their decision.

Unlike my ancestors or many overseas Chinese ancestors who can endorse hardship and went around the world to make a living or settle, these youngsters don't have the mentality to face obstacles. If you have seemed the interview and articles about them, you would know many of them are thinking that by having a few millions HKD and work as cashiers or delivery guys in Chinatown should be enough. And most of them haven't been to UK or check out a rental or schools before making the move. It will be a disaster for many of them. Not that I don't support them for leaving but wouldn't want them to come back to Hong Kong afterward.

Absolutely spot on @KYli

Our parents and those before them that have left China's shores are the one that would be applauded for the bravery to commit their entire welfare of tgeue family in seeking a better standard of living away from China, who at the time was, and let's be honest, dirt poor.

They often leave behind their families because they can't afford more than one ticket out of poverty. Through the swear of their labour. They managed save enough money to eventually to bring all their children and wife along.

And to compare them with these used condoms is really insulting.

 

[Xizor]

British imperialism was a force for good

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Brown Man's Burden

Man, if only I was their ruler or leader. I'd do some Idi Amin stuff, clean up and put the house in order.
Better to die than do that.
Stuff like these is simply like acid on the eyes.

 

[localizer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1356625889602199552

let's ask HK FLG TW terrorists why aren't we talking about india's bullshit

 

[supersnoop]

Well @supersnoop

I know you are peaceful man. And you see goods in everyone. So I'm definately not saying you're condoning the used condoms attempts at destroying the very society that Hong Kong is, and has provided them with shelter, food, free education. Basically their livelihood.

What I was trying to point out, mainly to members here, that the use of these words in your previous post thus give one an impression, that, at least on some level, an empathy to their plight that they don't deserved.

Words like:

'Commitment'
'Good for them'
'I wouldn't insult them'
'Applaud them'
'Not all people are rioters'

So let's go through them one at a time.

'Commitment' if they have Commitment, they should stay and carry on the fight till the end. Remember the slogan. Five demands not one less? Remember the 'chief' in the polytechnic university who say 'I'll never leave unless it's in a coffin lol.

'Good for them' so it's good to run away. Interesting outlook.

'I wouldn't insult them' 'applaud them'

what have they don't to deserve your admiration?So they get applauded for "escaping" from the freest society in the world?

'Not all people are rioters'

This is beginning to sound like an apologies for their riots. These people might not actually participated in riots (although we don't know that). But they sure remain silent at the very least all through out the 12 months of chaos. In fact most of these people actively support rioters by donations and other means.

So while I agree that you are not condoning the riots. But you sure sound like an apologies for it.

These people are not brave people because they are seeking a new and better life like our parents before them. These people are delusional, they believe they are escaping from tyranny! That's the difference. So by trying to compare them to mine and other ex pats parents is quite insulting really.

I know it gives that impression.

'Commitment' and Applaud/'Good to run away'.
Commitment - While I think there is an argument to be made for moderates not stopping the radicals, it's already done, how do you move forward? As I said, if they think it is so bad, go away. Finally you are putting your money where your mouth is.

In my mind, the reference point is the Taiwanese Independence supporters who dodge military service and never join voluntarily.

So basically, running away is better than talk talk talk. I also think that running away is better than fake fighting. So many of the hardcore troublemakers posted stupid YouTube good bye videos (The 'war' where no one died). You smash a Starbucks, Maxim's, Bubble Tea shop. This is not fighting for rights, it is not civil disobedience. It's just mindless destruction.

You mentioned 'fight to the end'. Maybe they are not in a coffin, but in a way it is the end. They vandalized LegCo, they partially destroyed a University, they got the attention from the whole world, the USAGM funded the advertising campaigns including full page ads in the NYT, and they still lost. HK is still part of China, Carrie Lam is still CE, there was no widespread unrest in any other parts of China, not a single death caused by HKPF. Somehow, despite all the support and seeming popularity of their movement, HK was never crippled by their antics (except maybe the tourism sector suffered a lot). The government outplayed them on every move, only token was the death of the extradition bill, but that was repaid with NSL. When you have lost so utterly, its best to leave gracefully.

Applaud is actually a double-entendre. On one hand, yes, it's like finally they are doing something/anything. Second is, happy to see them go/good riddance.

I agree, they are delusional. I do not compare them to many who left in the past, certainly not my own parents!
However, sometimes people will only learn the hard way. This is the basis of the Christian parable of the Prodigal Son.

Like I said, I'm quite interested to see if these estimates end up anywhere near the truth (I don't think they will). We will only know after 2 - 3 years at least. If they get anywhere close (and obviously if they exceed), the western media will have 1000 articles about people 'escaping' tyranny. If they don't, this story will be quietly swept aside (and maybe even killing the program) for some fluff pieces on Taiwan.

 

[Gatekeeper]

I know it gives that impression.

'Commitment' and Applaud/'Good to run away'.
Commitment - While I think there is an argument to be made for moderates not stopping the radicals, it's already done, how do you move forward? As I said, if they think it is so bad, go away. Finally you are putting your money where your mouth is.

In my mind, the reference point is the Taiwanese Independence supporters who dodge military service and never join voluntarily.

So basically, running away is better than talk talk talk. I also think that running away is better than fake fighting. So many of the hardcore troublemakers posted stupid YouTube good bye videos (The 'war' where no one died). You smash a Starbucks, Maxim's, Bubble Tea shop. This is not fighting for rights, it is not civil disobedience. It's just mindless destruction.

You mentioned 'fight to the end'. Maybe they are not in a coffin, but in a way it is the end. They vandalized LegCo, they partially destroyed a University, they got the attention from the whole world, the USAGM funded the advertising campaigns including full page ads in the NYT, and they still lost. HK is still part of China, Carrie Lam is still CE, there was no widespread unrest in any other parts of China, not a single death caused by HKPF. Somehow, despite all the support and seeming popularity of their movement, HK was never crippled by their antics (except maybe the tourism sector suffered a lot). The government outplayed them on every move, only token was the death of the extradition bill, but that was repaid with NSL. When you have lost so utterly, its best to leave gracefully.

Applaud is actually a double-entendre. On one hand, yes, it's like finally they are doing something/anything. Second is, happy to see them go/good riddance.

I agree, they are delusional. I do not compare them to many who left in the past, certainly not my own parents!
However, sometimes people will only learn the hard way. This is the basis of the Christian parable of the Prodigal Son.

Like I said, I'm quite interested to see if these estimates end up anywhere near the truth (I don't think they will). We will only know after 2 - 3 years at least. If they get anywhere close (and obviously if they exceed), the western media will have 1000 articles about people 'escaping' tyranny. If they don't, this story will be quietly swept aside (and maybe even killing the program) for some fluff pieces on Taiwan.

Thanks for clarifying further. Absolutely, I couldn't agree more. The only reason I took a little issues with the original post was the impression that it gave as though they, the used condoms, so be applauded for their decisions.

Otherwise I'd have no issue with that. These used condoms via their actions leaving Hong Kong in their expensive suitcases (where as my parents and others like them litually left Hong Kong with the very shirt they wear on their back)!

My parents and other expats as well, went to better themselves and their family. Whereas these used condoms left for 'freedom and democracy' away from the freest place in the world! And in doing So, get used willingly by the western MSM as another evident of big bad tyrant China. Says it all!

 

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