Hong-Kong Protests

supersnoop

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Wow, that one person has like $10000 US worth of suitcases by German brand Rimowa if they are genuine.

I am genuinely curious what will happen to these people both in short and long term.

I've read that the average age is 20-30 years old.

Some were educated in UK before heading back.

Politics aside, these are some of the hardships.

1. Pandemic, UK is one of the worst affected developed countries. In terms of deaths/population, worse than the US. This is with NHS, which the US doesn't have. They wouldn't be eligible for NHS care anyway right?

2. Economy, doubly whammy of Brexit and Covid means this is probably the worst economic time to move (I guess that shows commitment, good for them)

2A. If they were educated in the UK, were they not able to find good employment due to poor English skills? I feel English proficiency in HK is surprisingly dismal for a former colony. What is their plan if unemployment is extended?

3. Culture shock and possible racism. I do think outright racism is rare. However, I do think they will have to work twice as hard to prove themselves since they will no longer be a privileged class.

Like I said, if they are that committed, I wouldn't insult them. You can't force people to be patriotic/loyal/etc. If they are able to find the success and life for them, I think we should applaud them.

However, keeping reality in mind, I do wonder what will happen in 1 year, 5 years? How many are actually going this year? 1,000? 10,000? We have no idea what the savings of these people are like, what their skills are, even what their expectations really are?

It's easy to say "I want to go to a place that respects rule of law, democratic ideals..." etc., but going from something to nothing, it's not easy. For a family, I think the honest truth is that opportunities/lifestyle for children can be better overseas vs. HK (or China), but can you provide the same level of life on reduced pay?

Really, those things have to rely a lot on faith anyhow (Myself and others have routinely pointed out it is basically a religion). What is rule of law in your day to day life really? Fighting a traffic ticket?

If these people do leave and end up coming back in great numbers (that's when they deserve scorn), it would be interesting what effect it has (if any).
 

In4ser

Junior Member
If these people do leave and end up coming back in great numbers (that's when they deserve scorn), it would be interesting what effect it has (if any).
If anything, disillusionment may make these people more patriotic than the people from Hong Kong who wanted but couldn't leave. Propaganda and conditioning matter little, if first-hand experience is different.

After all, The West had been claiming for years that Chinese students studying in the West would be missionaries for their values, only to discover many had become even more nationalist and cynical especially when opportunities dried under Trump.
 
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Gatekeeper

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1. Pandemic, UK is one of the worst affected developed countries. In terms of deaths/population, worse than the US. This is with NHS, which the US doesn't have. They wouldn't be eligible for NHS care anyway right?

No. In order to qualify you'll need to pay into the system as in national insurance. (Which is what I'm teaching my students about at the moment). But the U.K. government can circumnavigate that if it wish to.

2. Economy, doubly whammy of Brexit and Covid means this is probably the worst economic time to move (I guess that shows commitment, good for them)

No. It doesn't show commitment, it showed brain washed and stupidity. It showed they are driven by hatred of all things Chinese. It also showed two face. They are happy to make money out of Hong Kong and China for the last 20 years. But now they want to leave.

2A. If they were educated in the UK, were they not able to find good employment due to poor English skills? I feel English proficiency in HK is surprisingly dismal for a former colony. What is their plan if unemployment is extended?

Good luck with finding a good well paid job. These jobs are hard to come by for the locals, let alone foreigners.

3. Culture shock and possible racism. I do think outright racism is rare. However, I do think they will have to work twice as hard to prove themselves since they will no longer be a privileged class.

"Outright racism is rare".

I think you ought to get out more. This maybe so in Canada. Not in the UK. You may find it's not as rare as you think.

Like I said, if they are that committed, I wouldn't insult them. You can't force people to be patriotic/loyal/etc. If they are able to find the success and life for them, I think we should applaud them.

No, you can't force people to be patriotic. But then again you shouldn't expect people to be such traitors. For that, I'll never applaud them, because in doing So, we are condoning all the violence in the past year. And they deserved all the insults I can mustered and throw at them.

Personally I couldn’t care less what happens to these traitors, the only thing I care about is that they are never allowed back to HK or China ever again. Be gone and stay gone!

Couldn't agree more! Further. Just discussing their rationale for leaving is already semi-condoning their actions for the past year.

What we should be discussing is that their leaving is due to Great Britain playing politics, sucked up to Trump, and scoring international brownie points. Not to mention interfering with the internal affairs of another country!
 

Mt1701d

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Good luck with finding a good well paid job. These jobs are hard to come by for the locals, let alone foreigners.
You know when I first read this... in my head I was like ‘nah... there are some jobs openings now that Eastern Europeans have a harder time getting into the UK... for example if you are handy with a wrench, know your pipes and can’t really English you got it made’ but then I did a double take and saw that you added well paid... and I could only nod from then on...
 

Gatekeeper

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You know when I first read this... in my head I was like ‘nah... there are some jobs openings now that Eastern Europeans have a harder time getting into the UK... for example if you are handy with a wrench, know your pipes and can’t really English you got it made’ but then I did a double take and saw that you added well paid... and I could only nod from then on...

There would be so lucky to do all those plumbing and odd jobs left by the eastern Europeans. The pampered fools haven't got any vocational skills between any of them.

The only jobs they might get that was done by the former eastern Europeans is
Toiling 12 hours a day in the fields picking strawberries.
 

localizer

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There would be so lucky to do all those plumbing and odd jobs left by the eastern Europeans. The pampered fools haven't got any vocational skills between any of them.

The only jobs they might get that was done by the former eastern Europeans is
Toiling 12 hours a day in the fields picking strawberries.

What can they do if they can't even open canned food?
 
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