Chinese Economics Thread

Litebreeze

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Delist.
List again.
Now, considering to delist .. again..

If it does so, it would mark a second sudden U-turn. The bourse said late Monday it reversed a decision announced just last week to delist China Mobile Ltd, China Telecom Corp Ltd and China Unicom Hong Kong Ltd after consulting with regulatory authorities in connection with the U.S. Treasury’s Office of Foreign Assets Control.
However, it will go ahead with the delistings, which were planned on or before Jan. 11, if it deems the companies are subject to the order, said the person who asked to remain anonymous because the discussions are ongoing.
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...people familiar with the matter
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Bloomberg the bourse is
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proceeding with the delisting after criticism from Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin. The reversal caused confusion over the U.S. policy behind the NYSE’s move: President Donald Trump’s November executive order barring American investments in businesses owned or controlled by the Chinese military.
Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Hua Chunying told a daily briefing in Beijing on Wednesday. “This has rather limited impact on the Chinese companies, but it will hurt the U.S. national interests and its own image, and will hurt its global status as a capital market.”
Calling the delisting decision unwise, the
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that the U.S. risks undermining its own position in the global capital markets by showing its rules and institutions can become “arbitrary, reckless and unpredictable.”
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Messy administration, in or out, make up your mind. You are either lose small or lose big.
 

sinophilia

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If we're honest, we all know the investment landscape was heavily in favour of China.

This was tolerated when China was a lot smaller and poorer.

So these are reasonable concessions for China to make, given where China now is, and where it is going.

Chinese companies are still be able to compete and win.

Have you read through the agreement? I honestly haven’t but I’ve seen some say that China conceded on most points and it doesn’t really give China anything but gives Europe most of what they asked.

From the highlights I’ve seen that people put out, there are no direct benefits to it for China.

If true it’s still beneficial in that it connects Europe with China more and is a diplomatic victory but I wonder if they are correct.
Delist.
List again.
Now, considering to delist .. again..



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Messy administration, in or out, make up your mind. You are either lose small or lose big.

They delisted and resisted AGAIN in the last 3 hours. Bahahaha
 

PiSigma

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Say what?? $250K?? I'm getting an average of $61K for a truck driver from my search...

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Haul truck drivers in fort McMurray get paid on average 250k a year including bonus.

The trucks they drive are giant, basically a 4 store building. But then again, there is not much around the mine, so it's not that dangerous.

The reason the pay is high is because the trucks are expensive, and they are a danger to everything else around them.

Add in the -40C for 3 months of the year and isolation working/living conditions.

In fact everytime I add an operator, I have to to add $1 M to the budget. Operators get paid 150k-200k a year, add a cross shift, bonuses, benefits, training, etc. The costs add up pretty quickly.
 
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ZeEa5KPul

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Haul truck drivers in fort McMurray get paid on average 250k a year including bonus.

The trucks they drive are giant, basically a 4 store building. But then again, there is not much around the mine, so it's not that dangerous.

The reason the pay is high is because the trucks are expensive, and they are a danger to everything else around them.

Add in the -40C for 3 months of the year and isolation working/living conditions.

In fact everytime I add an operator, I have to to add $1 M to the budget. Operators get paid 150k-200k a year, add a cross shift, bonuses, benefits, training, etc. The costs add up pretty quickly.
This is a situation begging for 5G.
 

caudaceus

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Haul truck drivers in fort McMurray get paid on average 250k a year including bonus.

The trucks they drive are giant, basically a 4 store building. But then again, there is not much around the mine, so it's not that dangerous.

The reason the pay is high is because the trucks are expensive, and they are a danger to everything else around them.

Add in the -40C for 3 months of the year and isolation working/living conditions.

In fact everytime I add an operator, I have to to add $1 M to the budget. Operators get paid 150k-200k a year, add a cross shift, bonuses, benefits, training, etc. The costs add up pretty quickly.

In 5-10 years, 90% sure they will be replaced by self-driving trucks.
 

AndrewS

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Have you read through the agreement? I honestly haven’t but I’ve seen some say that China conceded on most points and it doesn’t really give China anything but gives Europe most of what they asked.

From the highlights I’ve seen that people put out, there are no direct benefits to it for China.

If true it’s still beneficial in that it connects Europe with China more and is a diplomatic victory but I wonder if they are correct.

I don't have an issue with China giving Europe most of what it wanted, as long as they are reasonable requests.

Like I said previously, China was until recently, most definitely a developing country.
As such, China wasn't held to a higher standard of conduct and market access.
But now Chinese companies can compete and win.

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Yes, it is a diplomatic victory.

But in the big picture, it is anchoring China-Europe into an "open" trade and investment order.
By extension, that brings in a huge chunk of the world as well.

And with the Chinese economy set to grow even more and become twice the size of the USA in the next 10-15 years, it is China which will reap the most benefits from an "open" trade and investment order.
 

localizer

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Wow, do they really know what they want to do? I'm not sure if this is the last uturn. CNBC said the last time, delist, but I'm not sure if that's the last decision.

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I suspect it’s some form of good cop bad cop.

Wallstreet want that Chinese investment yield and flip flopped to signal they being forced.
 
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