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Mohican Master

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Maneuvering happens in all terrain, it just depends on the type of units (light infantry, heavy armor etc.) Refer to Sahwney's analysis in his videos, the Indian army does not even train for maneuver warfare with the IAF. All of its focus is on defensive holding operations and COIN, since the insurgency in Kashmir began in the 90s.
All of IAF's Tacticla Air Centers conduct manuever exercises with IAF regularly.
Also no major offensive manuever is possible from Indian side in Poonch sue to terrain.
 

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All of IAF's Tacticla Air Centers conduct manuever exercises with IAF regularly.

Show me the list of regularly scheduled joint exercises that the IAF and IA conduct and we can analyze them. I'm going by what Sawhney has stated, so I have a credible source.

Also no major offensive manuever is possible from Indian side in Poonch sue to terrain.

What part are you not understanding?

I just told you, maneuvering capacity depends on the unit, not the terrain.

China just maneuvered to capture a 1000 square kilometres, in the harshest terrain possible, with its light infantry.
 
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Indian troops capture highest heights on Finger 4 of Pangong Tso:

"Capture"? What exactly did they do? Did they take anything inside of the PLA's perimeter?

By the way, your side also claimed that you had more peaks south of the lake than you actually did, just a few days ago.

You've lost something like 1000 sq kms of your claimed territory, and you're celebrating random and meaningless acts.
 
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Indian troops capture highest heights on Finger 4 of Pangong Tso:

" NDTV has also learnt of some additional moves made by the Indian army to secure heights along Finger 4 on the north bank of Pangong lake in the last few days. Through this sizeable deployment, Indian soldiers presently occupy ''heights overlooking the Chinese deployment on Finger 4". Any Chinese move to counter this would mean a Chinese deployment to an altitude of approximately 6,000 metres, or nearly 19,700 feet, extremely challenging from a military stand-point. Indian and Chinese soldiers on Finger 4 ridges are presently separated by a few hundred metres. "

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India is really getting ahead of itself. I am seeing more and more articles like this discussing how India can lead the world to break China apart. Just look at the map presented in that garbage. Shows how deluded the Indian media is getting.

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India is starting to play the Tibet card with China. There are many of these deluded Indian articles urging India to support the "young Tibetan people" to rise up against China. Even the two-faced SCMP have an article that is somewhat sympathetic for these exiled-Tibetans. I anticipate that India's support of the "Free Tibet" movement would be also quite celebrated in the "Free World".

Its not just the media, its a state policy. India publicly used the SFF in the late-August offensive. Then some SFF terrorists were killed either through PLA action, or more likely by Indian friendly fire or mines. After that, there was an explosion of "Free Tibet" fever in India. During the funerals of those dead SFF members, there were "Free Tibet" flags and Indian flags flying everywhere. Even BJP's Ram Madhav is at the funeral.

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I say this is the clearest Indian provocation of the One-China policy. India have indeed crossed China's red-line. It is likely that in the longer term, India will really play Tibet card on China. Just like how it had played the Balochistan card on Pakistan. India could unleash more SFF terrorists to try to kill PLA forces instead of having the Indian troops do it themselves, giving them plausible deniability. While at the same time support 'Tibetan uprisings' in China with the full blessing of the West. Its part of their old "Hybrid War" trick.

India is going to find out the hard way, just how wrong it is about the Tibetans in China. Their "Tibetans in exile"are not going to receive a hero's welcomed in Tibet. These Tibetans are descendants of former slave-owners, and are justly living their life of misery in India. While the decedents of liberated serfs in China live a far more prosperous life in China.

While China is helping the Tibetans restore an old Tibetan Thangka art that has been lost for more than 500 years. India is terrorizing the population of Kashmir with mass imprisonment, extrajudicial killings, tortures, and rapes. You just cannot emphasize enough the level of Indian hypocrisy and depravity.

If India really does go ahead with this effort to split China apart, they will suffer one hell of a reckoning. China can turn the tables on them very quickly and viciously. Not only will the Indian troops be decimated by the PLA on the border, they could also face internal rebellion in Kashmir and Nagaland backed by Pakistan and China. India does not have the military and economy to face this kind of war. Soon, the military materiel would deplete. And their military funds would dry up with all the arms imports and corruption. Then, India is going to be in real trouble.
 
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India is really getting ahead of itself. I am seeing more and more articles like this discussing how India can lead the world to break China apart. Just look at the map presented in that garbage. Shows how deluded the Indian media is getting.

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India is starting to play the Tibet card with China. There are many of these deluded Indian articles urging India to support the "young Tibetan people" to rise up against China. Even the two-faced SCMP have an article that is somewhat sympathetic for these exiled-Tibetans. I anticipate that India's support of the "Free Tibet" movement would be also quite celebrated in the "Free World".

Its not just the media, its a state policy. India publicly used the SFF in the late-August offensive. Then some SFF terrorists were killed either through PLA action, or more likely by Indian friendly fire or mines. After that, there was an explosion of "Free Tibet" fever in India. During the funerals of those dead SFF members, there were "Free Tibet" flags and Indian flags flying everywhere. Even BJP's Ram Madhav is at the funeral.

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I say this is the clearest Indian provocation of the One-China policy. India have indeed crossed China's red-line. It is likely that in the longer term, India will really play Tibet card on China. Just like how it had played the Balochistan card on Pakistan. India could unleash more SFF terrorists to try to kill PLA forces instead of having the Indian troops do it themselves, giving them plausible deniability. While at the same time support 'Tibetan uprisings' in China with the full blessing of the West. Its part of their old "Hybrid War" trick.

India is going to find out the hard way, just how wrong it is about the Tibetans in China. Their "Tibetans in exile"are not going to receive a hero's welcomed in Tibet. These Tibetans are descendants of former slave-owners, and are justly living their life of misery in India. While the decedents of liberated serfs in China live a far more prosperous life in China.

While China is helping the Tibetans restore an old Tibetan Thangka art that has been lost for more than 500 years. India is terrorizing the population of Kashmir with mass imprisonment, extrajudicial killings, tortures, and rapes. You just cannot emphasize enough the level of Indian hypocrisy and depravity.

If India really does go ahead with this effort to split China apart, they will suffer one hell of a reckoning. China can turn the tables on them very quickly and viciously. Not only will the Indian troops be decimated by the PLA on the border, they could also face internal rebellion in Kashmir and Nagaland backed by Pakistan and China. India does not have the military and economy to face this kind of war. Soon, the military materiel would deplete. And their military funds would dry up with all the arms imports and corruption. Then, India is going to be in real trouble.
Do these people know that the same taiwan they support also claim All of tibet , xinjiang ladakh and arunachal pradesh as their own territory? This "break up china" card is never going to work.
 

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Show me the list of regularly scheduled joint exercises that the IAF and IA conduct and we can analyze them. I'm going by what Sawhney has stated, so I have a credible source.



What part are you not understanding?

I just told you, maneuvering capacity depends on the unit, not the terrain.

China just maneuvered to capture a 1000 square kilometres, in the harshest terrain possible, with its light infantry.
Wrong. Because of large static formations on opposite site no manuevers are possible unless you can commit 50000 troops for a smalls sector
 

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Wrong. Because of large static formations on opposite site no manuevers are possible unless you can commit 50000 troops for a smalls sector

Please stop pretending to know what you're talking about. Committing mass troops in focused areas is exactly how breakthroughs happen, by establishing local superiority. That's how maneuver warfare works. I would think that your "Waffen-SS" would understand this basic concept of "Blitzkrieg" which it had been promising us.

But your army/IAF has no plans on executing any of it, because it is not geared for maneuver warfare, as Sawhney has stated. It is defensively postured and desperately trying to hold on to what it has, while still losing territory and celebrating insignificant squad level events and making bollywood movies about them.

If you think India's "Waffen-SS" army and air force is geared for 'blitzkrieg' style maneuver warfare, why don't you ask them to re-take the 1000 square kilometres of its claimed territory that it just lost?
 
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