Hong-Kong Protests

[Mr T]

My issue with churches is the image of having a white savior that is pushed on the psyche of Asians to worship the White man and rely upon him there for salvation and purpose.

Jesus wasn't white, and depictions of him in Asia aren't universally white either. For example:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/95842298290006299/

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/560698222328981573/

Submission is something to be glorified

Submission is a common theme in most religions. Buddha was Indian. Does that make Buddhism bad for China, because it's requiring Chinese people to pray to a foreigner? Or are you going to say that Buddha was "Asian" so makes it ok?

Anyway, portrails of Jesus are a matter of art, not faith. It's up to a church what style any paintings they have will take. If you were Christian and went to church, you could suggest to your priest to mix it up a bit. Hell, you could pay for a painting and give it as a gift.

If we cannot agree on acceptability racially-motivated hostility. There is nothing much to discuss with you I'm afraid.

You weren't exactly specific about what your sister has said, but at the least we can talk about whether her current views are the fault of the entirety of Christian faith in Hong Kong or just a particular group of her current friends.

 

[Dolcevita]

You weren't exactly specific about what your sister has said, but at the least we can talk about whether her current views are the fault of the entirety of Christian faith in Hong Kong or just a particular group of her current friends.

I was clear that my sister was using derogatory language when referring to Mainland Chinese.

Here is what you responded with. You disagree that her behavior is improper and justify her behavior because according to you, HK people are hostile to Mainland Chinese and hence it is not surprising that she was influenced that way. You did not condemn the behavior and described it as not surprising implying that the hostility is acceptable and justified.

I don't know about how well you get on with your sister and brother-in-law or which church she goes to, but you're implying she's been "improperly influenced" by going to church in HK.

Given the hostility in Hong Kong now towards mainland China, is it surprising she might see things from the perspective of HK people having lived there for some years?

 

[In4ser]

Jesus wasn't white, and depictions of him in Asia aren't universally white either. For example:

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/95842298290006299/

https://www.pinterest.com/pin/560698222328981573/

Submission is a common theme in most religions. Buddha was Indian. Does that make Buddhism bad for China, because it's requiring Chinese people to pray to a foreigner? Or are you going to say that Buddha was "Asian" so makes it ok?

Anyway, portrails of Jesus are a matter of art, not faith. It's up to a church what style any paintings they have will take. If you were Christian and went to church, you could suggest to your priest to mix it up a bit. Hell, you could pay for a painting and give it as a gift.

I did point out Asian Jesus but I’ve not seen many representations of him even in Asian churches where I live.

Also you obviously don’t understand Buddhism. A popular Buddhist saying is “If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.” This is because you are not to become attached to idolatry and the worship of the Buddha or any other Buddhas. They might be great people much like great people such as Issac Newton or Charles Darwin but they are not to be deified. They simply are guides to help show the way to people like you or I. However, at the end of the day, only you can reach enlightenment and become a Buddha by your own hand not by anyone else. That is why Buddhism is practiced by many people in a secular way.

I’m not anti-Christian but I’m wary of the people behind Christian organizations especially White evangelicals who try to push their racial and political agenda through religion. Christian Dominionist ideology is even a threat to my own country of the US, where a significant population believe that we need to push for Theocracy or Republican hawks who see our middle eastern policy with Israel necessary to bring about the imminent 2nd Coming of Christ.

 

[localizer]

I was clear that my sister was using derogatory language when referring to Mainland Chinese.

Here is what you responded with. You disagree that her behavior is improper and justify her behavior because according to you, HK people are hostile to Mainland Chinese and hence it is not surprising that she was influenced that way. You did not condemn the behavior and described it as not surprising implying that the hostility is acceptable and justified.

Stop it . He thinks everything anti-China is a benevolent force for good and no malign actors are involved.

He supports terrorism against Chinese.

 

[Mr T]

I was clear that my sister was using derogatory language when referring to Mainland Chinese.

But you didn't say what it was. localizer has accused me of supporting terrorism against Chinese people. Do you think he's right or he's annoyed with me so making stuff up?

I don't know whether your sister has expressed exasperation about mainland Chinese that she might not really mean or she actually believes they're all horrible people. But I recall a Chinese member of this forum previously telling me that China isn't suited to democracy because (mainland) Chinese are just in it for themselves and don't trust each other, unless they're part of a close network, so they wouldn't trust each other with the vote. Within mainland China there's also a lot of badmouting people from different regions.

I'm not saying any of that is good, and I'm willing to believe your sister is saying unpleasant things that upsets you if you're saying that's the case. Just thinking perhaps it's not so unusual given how people in China talk about each other.

You disagree that her behavior is improper and justify her behavior because according to you, HK people are hostile to Mainland Chinese and hence it is not surprising that she was influenced that way. You did not condemn the behavior and described it as not surprising implying that the hostility is acceptable and justified.

See above. Lots of Chinese people in the PRC are rude to each other. Also, I've not met your sister (I've not even met you), so why would I condemn her? If you meant condemn the people that she's mixed with, I'm even more removed from them.

The point is, there's no "HK Christian church" telling her bad things abount mainland Chinese. Sure, some HKers that also go to her local church may say nasty things, but that's not the same thing. Do you think the long-term protesters are all faithful Christians? I doubt even 25% of them go to church.

 

[Dolcevita]

But you didn't say what it was. localizer has accused me of supporting terrorism against Chinese people. Do you think he's right or he's annoyed with me so making stuff up?

I don't know whether your sister has expressed exasperation about mainland Chinese that she might not really mean or she actually believes they're all horrible people. But I recall a Chinese member of this forum previously telling me that China isn't suited to democracy because (mainland) Chinese are just in it for themselves and don't trust each other, unless they're part of a close network, so they wouldn't trust each other with the vote. Within mainland China there's also a lot of badmouting people from different regions.

I'm not saying any of that is good, and I'm willing to believe your sister is saying unpleasant things that upsets you if you're saying that's the case. Just thinking perhaps it's not so unusual given how people in China talk about each other.



See above. Lots of Chinese people in the PRC are rude to each other. Also, I've not met your sister (I've not even met you), so why would I condemn her? If you meant condemn the people that she's mixed with, I'm even more removed from them.

The point is, there's no "HK Christian church" telling her bad things abount mainland Chinese. Sure, some HKers that also go to her local church may say nasty things, but that's not the same thing. Do you think the long-term protesters are all faithful Christians? I doubt even 25% of them go to church.

I think you still don't get it. Or perhaps do but deliberately coy. Anyway

With teachers like this brain washing their students. Some of you know I'm a lecturer at our local college. And if we behave like this with our students in the west, men in black will be knocking on my door to make me disappear.

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But before we get rid of the teachers, we need to get rid of religious schools. Mainly Christians schools. Sorry guys, I know most of you live in the west and Christians there are in general, benign and non-Threatening. But in Hong Kong these school are hotbeds of ANTI-CCP China establishments. And most of these receive fundings from foreign NGOs. I know because I had first hand experience.

They Have ingrained hatred because, CCP is officially athiest. So it's against everything they stand for. Look at the following chart where schools have their students arrested. The top ten are all Christians schools.


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[Mr T]

I did point out Asian Jesus but I’ve not seen many representations of him even in Asian churches where I live.

But you live in the US, right? I don't think an "Asian" church in the US would be that worried about how Jesus appears, not least because they might have a mix of communities and not want to make them think non-Asians weren't welcome.

The point remains, if you were a Christian living in Asia I'm sure your pastor would consider displaying an "Asian" Jesus picture if you could make one available.

I’m not anti-Christian but I’m wary of the people behind Christian organizations

Hmm. If someone said that they weren't anti-Chinese just way of people behind Chinese organisations their comment might be met with confusion.

especially White evangelicals who try to push their racial and political agenda through religion

Sure, but evangelicals are just part of the picture. They're not representative of Christianity either globally or in Asia.

I think you still don't get it. Or perhaps do but deliberately coy. Anyway

I understand that you feel your sister has learnt to be prejudiced against mainland Chinese due to living in HK. I'm pointing out that that it's not because of a single unified Christian "church" in HK because there's no such thing.

 

[Dolcevita]

I did point out Asian Jesus but I’ve not seen many representations of him even in Asian churches where I live.

Also you obviously don’t understand Buddhism. A popular Buddhist saying is “If you meet the Buddha on the road, kill him.” This is because you are not to become attached to idolatry and the worship of the Buddha or any other Buddhas. They might be great people much like great people such as Issac Newton or Charles Darwin but they are not to be deified. They simply are guides to help show the way to people like you or I. However, at the end of the day, only you can reach enlightenment and become a Buddha by your own hand not by anyone else. That is why Buddhism is practiced by many people in a secular way.

I’m not anti-Christian but I’m wary of the people behind Christian organizations especially White evangelicals who try to push their racial and political agenda through religion. Christian Dominionist ideology is even a threat to my own country of the US, where a significant population believe that we need to push for Theocracy or Republican hawks who see our middle eastern policy with Israel necessary to bring about the imminent 2nd Coming of Christ.

I do not care about White or Asian Jesus. He is a Jewese and should have Jewese complexion.

I am not anti-Christian as I went to a Christian School. What I dislike is what they teach at Christian School and how children are manipulated at such institution. There is no effort was spent on critical thought, only indoctrination and peer pressure during religious class.

 

[vincent]

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I'm not so surprised that an old man was let off. What I found interesting was this.



Waiving a knife is totally cool but carrying a laser pointer is dangerous? o_0

You do know laser can cause permanent eye damages, right?

 

[In4ser]

So essentially your response is it’s not representative of the whole so it’s a nonissue. Then why care about China’s national security law in HK? It’s punishment and enforcement is not representative of China’s HK policy because it not applicable to everyone but it is only specific those who partake in foreign subversion. If you aren’t a traitor don’t worry? It’s broad brush to make assumptions about things right?