Hong-Kong Protests

Janiz

Senior Member
I have one question - what will happen if people from HG will really start emigrating to Australia/GB taking their businesses, money and know-how to those countries? How big will be impact in case of regional economy if it happens? I know it won't be a big blow to a country like PRC but it won't turn entire city into secondary role if all that will remain ther will be contact offices for companies which HQs will be placed aborad?

What do you think guys?
 

Xizor

Captain
Registered Member
I have one question - what will happen if people from HG will really start emigrating to Australia/GB taking their businesses, money and know-how to those countries? How big will be impact in case of regional economy if it happens? I know it won't be a big blow to a country like PRC but it won't turn entire city into secondary role if all that will remain ther will be contact offices for companies which HQs will be placed aborad?

What do you think guys?
People fleeing HK ( whether pro-dem/anti-CCP / pro-CCP) is going to leave negligible effect economically on both China and the countries who take them in.


People fleeing HK is the best thing China could ever wish. Just think about it - you can't kill these people. You can't exterminate them. You can only wish that they see better/clearer and turn more patriotic. That cannot/won't happen within years. In fact, that will not happen at all. These people are indoctrinated and is a mutation . A mutation that results when radioactive Euro-Anglo-Christian culture interacts with a foreign culture.

( Not saying Christianity is to be seen as inherently bad for China or HK . Many Christ believers are patriotic Chinese. My focus is the "religio-culture" that is Anglo-Euro-Christian. )

But what if they packed up and left ? I'm pretty sure that China can endure the small pain (economical) if these people (anti-CCP) leave China. It certainly isn't going to leave an impact as deep as Coronavirus 19.

Also, China will find HK better to control. China can , in time, turn HK into a Guangzhou. Guangzhou can be relieved of its status as a melting pot. Turn HK into a melting pot for Vietnamese,Philipino, ASEAN and even Middle Eastern cultures ( further eroding the grip of Anglican Christian cultural groups).


I think this strategy is best for China for the coming 25 years. Sure, HK will decline. But it won't decline as bad as you think.


As for the HK anti-CCP / anti- Authoritarian leaving for other countries ...
GOOD !
Asians are Asians wherever they go. They can't remove their race from their body. These "refugees" will further help shift the western societies into "Liberal" lovers. If they don't do it, their children will. This decade is such a bad time for seeking refuge in the western countries. The rise of far-right in these countries ( right wingers can be generally dumb tbh) will create frictions with the Hk refugees. To a white nationalist, HK refugees are Chinese. They don't know better/ can't differentiate better.
And toxic liberalism can/has been eroding the strength of UK, Canada, Australia etc.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
I have one question - what will happen if people from HG will really start emigrating to Australia/GB taking their businesses, money and know-how to those countries? How big will be impact in case of regional economy if it happens? I know it won't be a big blow to a country like PRC but it won't turn entire city into secondary role if all that will remain ther will be contact offices for companies which HQs will be placed aborad?

What do you think guys?

what knowhow? Finance? Good riddance. China doesn’t need more blood sucking vampire squids.

Plenty of mainlanders nowadays that are far better educated, more cosmopolitan, well traveled than HKers.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
what knowhow? Finance? Good riddance. China doesn’t need more blood sucking vampire squids.

Plenty of mainlanders nowadays that are far better educated, more cosmopolitan, well traveled than HKers.

The people rioting in HK are not going to be the ones who hold any key skills or much wealth, or they wouldn’t be rioting in the first place!

I think that the foreign forces targeted a very specific demographic within HK society to get maximum take up and buy in, and also to limit the likelihood of exposure.

Most of the radicalisation and indoctrination seemed to have taken place in ‘soft’ subjects, which in itself is a good indicator of just how well these people are doing in life and society. I mean no disrespect to social sciences and arts, but we all know what kind of people chooses subjects like ‘liberal studies’ as electives in Chinese societies.

The top students would not touch such subjects with a barge pole, and even at that early stage, one’s future prospects are already pretty much set.

That is potentially a problem that needs to be looked into, but it’s really a two way street. If you choose a low-effort subject that doesn’t stretch you intellectually or teach you much transferable skills, employers will look down on you no matter what country or society you live in. You can’t blame anyone but yourself if you chose the easy way out and end up regretting it.

One of the truly admirable aspects of modern China is the amazing and real social mobility within society. More so than any other society on earth, hard work and raw talent has the greatest chance of allowing you to improve your station and elevate your social economic position drastically as in modern China. It seems that HK has instead copied the stale British class system.

A rather unique characteristic of modern China, that explains this intense social mobility, is the investment and motivation of the whole society, and not just the higher classes.

Anyone who has been through the Chinese education system will know just how intensely involved and invested good Chinese parents are in the education of their children if they want their child to have the best chances at getting into a good school.

As such, it is inconceivable that the lies and propaganda being taught in HK schools could have gone unexposed for so long had this happened in mainland China. I can pretty much guarantee that if someone managed to sneak such material into mainland Chinese schools, you will have irate parents protesting the very next day about it, as good mainland parents knows what their children are learning almost better than the children themselves.

I believe that good HK parents are similarly motivated, but that because of the adaption British class structure, you have large segments of society who are pretty much resigned to being stuck in the bottom of society. The parents are not engaged with the education of their children because there is very limited social mobility possible no matter how well you do in school. They just blame government and society for all their ills, and it is here that the west has found fertile ground for their poison.

The west is especially apt at exploiting this element of society because they are intimately familiar with how they work since they have these back home. China OTOH, are not as familiar with such elements of society because in mainland China, very few people have such mindsets, and society actively rejects such mindsets and behaviour, so there is absolutely no support for this kind of thinking.

What western agents have managed to very successfully do is to use the same racist and xenophobic language and tactics as the hard right in western societies to get these lower class people to pin all the blame for their low social economic status on ‘foreigners’ aka mainlanders, who ‘steal jobs’, ‘drive up property prices’, you know, the same right wing standard issue drivel. Only they also added anti-establishment sentiments to the mix.

That is why there are so many similarities between the HK protest movement and western far-right neo-nazis. They basically just took the new-nazi indoctrination playbook and used it in HK.
 

Xizor

Captain
Registered Member
I'd like to know what measures China has taken against the "neo-nazis" who came from Ukraine to the HK riots. Eastern Europe in particular is a hotbed of neo-nazi groups
Have one or two "broskis" from there so to me they aren't alien. Just random good chaps except they have this Slavic Aryan superiority that seems to be applied as some sort of ointment to cover up and heal something (I don't know what tbh).

What China needs to show them is that Communists are good at crushing Nazis. I just don't think China has taken any measures against these elements other than highlight their presence. I think monitoring these eastern european elements and their hatred for China is important because BRI and whatnot.
 

Mr T

Senior Member
If you are asking the Chinese government to trust to give HK greater autonomy when there are politicians in HK that openly express a "difference in opinion" for China's political future and the CCP overall, then there is frankly a massive chasm in understanding in terms of what the central government would consider to be sufficiently trustworthy to grant greater political autonomy.

That's pretty sad if the CCP is unable to tolerate difference of opinions when said alternative opinion is held by people that have no say in China's political future. The CCP holds all the cards when it comes to the country's future. Are they scared their own members will be swayed by alternative ideas? Strange.

victims of media outlets, the local education system

Given that the CCP's allies control the HK government and therefore the education system, as well as most of the print and TV media, I just don't know what to say.

Maybe the CCP is just incompetent.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
That's pretty sad if the CCP is unable to tolerate difference of opinions when said alternative opinion is held by people that have no say in China's political future. The CCP holds all the cards when it comes to the country's future. Are they scared their own members will be swayed by alternative ideas? Strange.

Given that the CCP's allies control the HK government and therefore the education system, as well as most of the print and TV media, I just don't know what to say.

Maybe the CCP is just incompetent.
It's called unity, I pity countries that are torn in half by rivaling ideology. Besides, you don't want drug dealers and gangsters coming into your house talking to your kids, do you? Are you "scared they'll be swayed by alternative ideas" to the ones you teach?

CCP's so incompetent, that China grew faster than any other country or empire in history and its self-invented system caused the Chinese economy to grow to 5x that of India's from a lower starting point as India followed your very competent democracy LOL.
 

KYli

Brigadier
That's pretty sad if the CCP is unable to tolerate difference of opinions when said alternative opinion is held by people that have no say in China's political future. The CCP holds all the cards when it comes to the country's future. Are they scared their own members will be swayed by alternative ideas? Strange.

Given that the CCP's allies control the HK government and therefore the education system, as well as most of the print and TV media, I just don't know what to say.

Maybe the CCP is just incompetent.

And the mighty America can't even tolerate Confucius Institutes and Tik Tok. That FB, IG, google andTwitter have to restore to underhand tactics by banning pro-China views. Is America so insecure and incompetent that it can't tolerate difference of opinions.

The Central government didn't try to interfere with HK local affair and respect the one country two systems. That's why it has not tried to fundamentally altered the political landscape in HK and allowing the education, judicial and media to be controlled by the oppositions.

Sadly, the central government generosity was viewed as weakness by the oppositions and foreign agents. Allowing these foreign agents and their HK cronies to believe that they could take total control of HK and made HK as a staging ground for anti-China and anti-CCP activities.

Most of the HK schools are private and only received government funding. Both HKPTU(teacher union) and HKJA(journalists union) are pro-Dem camp. Major newspaper: Oriental is pro-Business, Appledaily and Mingpao are pro-Dem camp. Even Hong Kong government owned media RTHK is pro-Dem camp. Don't try to deny these simple facts.
 

manqiangrexue

Brigadier
Thanks to the orange draft-dodger, Donnie is not a name associated with anything positive these days but this Donnie deserves RESPECT!
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Donnie Yen Lauds Hong Kong’s Return to China as He Starts New Films ‘Sleeping Dogs,’ ‘Golden Empire’

“He probably has 100 million reasons. But indeed tragic seeing such [a] talented person like Donnie fighting for the people on set but unable to do the same in real life,” wrote one commenter.

Yen himself responded directly, writing in English: “I am fighting for the Chinese people, which indeed for the longest time, [have] been undermined and disrespected, but worst abused.”
 
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