China's strategic vulnerabilities

[AndrewS]

A country that has in its long term interest to look favorably towards another country.

So is the Chinese solution to focus on domestic economic development and trade which draws other countries into China's economic orbit?

And which also has the side effect of providing the funds for military modernisation and growth?

 

[AndrewS]

I think the weakness of China is their lack of capability to demonize their adversary. While US is an expert propaganda that capable to do so. Look at those countries that oppose US. Libya, Syria, Iran, Iraq (Saddam Husein), , Venezuela, North Korea, China, Russia. They are all the victim of US propaganda to demonize them. When US attack Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, everyone cheer on US and condemn those countries. Like today China is the target of US demonization.

In contrary, China doesn't has the capability to demonize others. That's why they always become the victim of being "The bad guy" in any confrontation that China face. To be honest, this weakness is critical for them in diplomatic war that they're on, today.

Plus, CCP in Xi Jinping leadership is more idealistic than previous Dengist faction leadership. Xi political maneuver is more Mao Zedong than Deng Xiaoping. Mao Zedong, the symbol of idealistic in China, while Deng Xiaoping is the pragmatic one. Although Mao was no mean a bad leader (he's good, actually), but his political maneuver was surely lack of "Tay Chi" element. And Xi today is also lack of that "Tay Chi" element that used by Deng Xiao Ping's faction leadership previously. That's why China today is vulnerable to be demonized by the American propaganda.

Not only that, they even willingly to open themselves to be demonized by the American. Like putting salt to the wound.

Yes, China is the target of the USA.

But what would China demonising America actually achieve?
It won't change anything, and likely would make things worse.

 

[SPOOPYSKELETON]

Yes, China is the target of the USA.

But what would China demonising America actually achieve?
It won't change anything, and likely would make things worse.

How is this person for real. If they are hitting you, you hit back. It's that simple.

 

[SPOOPYSKELETON]

I think the weakness of China is their lack of capability to demonize their adversary. While US is an expert propaganda that capable to do so. Look at those countries that oppose US. Libya, Syria, Iran, Iraq (Saddam Husein), , Venezuela, North Korea, China, Russia. They are all the victim of US propaganda to demonize them. When US attack Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan, everyone cheer on US and condemn those countries. Like today China is the target of US demonization.

In contrary, China doesn't has the capability to demonize others. That's why they always become the victim of being "The bad guy" in any confrontation that China face. To be honest, this weakness is critical for them in diplomatic war that they're on, today.

Plus, CCP in Xi Jinping leadership is more idealistic than previous Dengist faction leadership. Xi political maneuver is more Mao Zedong than Deng Xiaoping. Mao Zedong, the symbol of idealistic in China, while Deng Xiaoping is the pragmatic one. Although Mao was no mean a bad leader (he's good, actually), but his political maneuver was surely lack of "Tay Chi" element. And Xi today is also lack of that "Tay Chi" element that used by Deng Xiao Ping's faction leadership previously. That's why China today is vulnerable to be demonized by the American propaganda.

Not only that, they even willingly to open themselves to be demonized by the American. Like putting salt to the wound.

Yea just look at the race riots going on right now. Imagine what would happen if they got foreign funding.

It's easier to destroy someone's reputation than to build it up.
At least the Global Times is changing its tone to be more hawkish?

 

[Brainsuker]

Yes, China is the target of the USA.

But what would China demonising America actually achieve?
It won't change anything, and likely would make things worse.

Oh, actually is way bigger than we can think. Look at how American demonizing Saddam Husein, Moamar Gaddafy, etc. It worked like miracle for their own gain. And look how Trump demonizing China started to get result. China got demonized for Hongkong, Xinjiang, Covid 19. Those are very bad PR for China.

And bad PR can result bad situation for China.

Maybe you argue that it doesn't matter for China, as China has face it before. But I'm ensure you that if China goes back to Mao era of encirclement, then they're lose for good. Because it's mean that you lose everything that you have fight for for 40 years. Like Japan lost to US in 1980, and succumb to their will.

Everything work like in Wei Qi, the thousand years China chess game. If you're surrounded by the enemy, you're doom. The ancient China has aware of this matter, so I'm sure that today China understand this danger perfectly.

What China need now is a politician who can dance with Tay Chi in today geo political environment, to win the diplomatic, propaganda war, not an idealistic Marxist who want to show that his dick is the biggest in this planet.

 

[muddie]

Oh, actually is way bigger than we can think. Look at how American demonizing Saddam Husein, Moamar Gaddafy, etc. It worked like miracle for their own gain. And look how Trump demonizing China started to get result. China got demonized for Hongkong, Xinjiang, Covid 19. Those are very bad PR for China.

And bad PR can result bad situation for China.

Maybe you argue that it doesn't matter for China, as China has face it before. But I'm ensure you that if China goes back to Mao era of encirclement, then they're lose for good. Because it's mean that you lose everything that you have fight for for 40 years. Like Japan lost to US in 1980, and succumb to their will.

Everything work like in Wei Qi, the thousand years China chess game. If you're surrounded by the enemy, you're doom. The ancient China has aware of this matter, so I'm sure that today China understand this danger perfectly.

What China need now is a politician who can dance with Tay Chi in today geo political environment, to win the diplomatic, propaganda war, not an idealistic Marxist who want to show that his dick is the biggest in this planet.

You only feel that the U.S. is wining the propaganda war because you live in a Western country. It's not possible for China to win the PR war in the west, just like it's impossible for the U.S. to win the PR war in China. The vast majority of people in China don't think China's actions in HK, Xinjiang or COVID is China's fault, no matter what the U.S. says.

China's PR in the West is hardly a weakness because as long as China remains a competitor to the U.S., there are no circumstances where China receives good PR in the U.S. Also, the power of the U.S.'s PR is backed by raw economic/military might and intimidation. So as China grows, so does its influence and PR comes afterwards.

Saddam and Gaddafi were easy PR targets given both are dictators and the former started multiple wars where Iraq was the aggressor. Do you really think the Iraq War was a "gain" for the U.S.?

Present day China and Japan in the 1980s are extremely different simply because Japan lacked a consumer market. They aren't comparable.

 

[Brainsuker]

You only feel that the U.S. is wining the propaganda war because you live in a Western country. It's not possible for China to win the PR war in the west, just like it's impossible for the U.S. to win the PR war in China. The vast majority of people in China don't think China's actions in HK, Xinjiang or COVID is China's fault, no matter what the U.S. says.

China's PR in the West is hardly a weakness because as long as China remains a competitor to the U.S., there are no circumstances where China receives good PR in the U.S. Also, the power of the U.S.'s PR is backed by raw economic/military might and intimidation. So as China grows, so does its influence and PR comes afterwards.

Saddam and Gaddafi were easy PR targets given both are dictators and the former started multiple wars where Iraq was the aggressor. Do you really think the Iraq War was a "gain" for the U.S.?

Present day China and Japan in the 1980s are extremely different simply because Japan lacked a consumer market. They aren't comparable.

Actually I live in Indonesia, not western world. I read the news from both side. I watch CGTN, too. And that's the problem of the taught. China only think about their own people opinion. Not other country people opinion also. That's China weakness. Because your rival, US, think about the people in the world opinion when they spread their propaganda. That's why you have hard time in propaganda war against them.

And about Saddam and Gaddafi, actually that's what my point. The result of Iraqi war is irrelevant, because at the end, Saddam and Gaddafi were lose. US won in propaganda war, Iraq and Libya become war zone. Or do you think that if China become warzone like in Iraq means that you're not lose?

Yes, present day China and Japan in 1980 are different. But if because of US propaganda China lose their momentum, then China is losing.

 

[gadgetcool5]

Exactly. China loses the propaganda war because it doesn't even try. To win a propaganda war you have to have something ideologically attractive to offer a neutral third party.

It's easy for China to do better in the propaganda war. Take a stand for universal values-- ANY universal values. Then at least a certain % of the population of a foreign country, even the U.S., will be attracted to your side because they are attracted to your values.

 

[ansy1968]

Actually I live in Indonesia, not western world. I read the news from both side. I watch CGTN, too. And that's the problem of the taught. China only think about their own people opinion. Not other country people opinion also. That's China weakness. Because your rival, US, think about the people in the world opinion when they spread their propaganda. That's why you have hard time in propaganda war against them.

And about Saddam and Gaddafi, actually that's what my point. The result of Iraqi war is irrelevant, because at the end, Saddam and Gaddafi were lose. US won in propaganda war, Iraq and Libya become war zone. Or do you think that if China become warzone like in Iraq means that you're not lose?

Yes, present day China and Japan in 1980 are different. But if because of US propaganda China lose their momentum, then China is losing.

Hi Brainsuker

China only think about their own people opinion. Not other country people opinion also.

China needs to rethink its PR strategy, But I like CGTN , its really is a NEWS outlet and a fair and honest one, NOT A OPINION CABLE NEWS like CNN or FOX NEWS.

 

[KYli]

Last time China made a stand for universal values. It got itself into conflicts in multiple continents. Remember the little Red book and the inspiration it entailed. Japan, Latin America, ASEAN, India, Europe and Africa, so many of their citizens have become followers of the little red book. If you made a stand for any universal values, then you better prepare to back them up with aids and actions. In addition, you might get many enemies along the way.

By abandoning the little red book, Deng frees China from ideological struggles and resentment from other countries that fear China would interfere in their internal affair. Of course, the price is steep. China propaganda and diplomatic have become very inward looking. It has spent most of its resources to be nice and not offensive toward any other countries and wouldn't explore the vulnerabilities of opponents like RT has done for Russia.

Doubtful CGTN is ever up to the game. What China needs is an all new organization that is aggressive like RT.