Hong-Kong Protests

[Dolcevita]

I think you're exaggerating the state of racism in the UK.

The culture is one where people are on the quiet, reserved and polite side of the spectrum.
Overt harassment of any sort is not the norm.
High levels of friendliness to an outright stranger is not a characteristic of any established culture.

In comparison, the newer cultures of the USA and Australia celebrate openness, but also directness, violence and redneck views.
So harassment (of any sort) is far more common.

And another big difference is that he UK is traditionally a class-based society, which hasn't had a history of large numbers of visible immigrants and the subsequent racial tensions.

In comparison, the US and Australia enshrined racial hierarchy into law, and their societies were built on those foundations.

If you speak to people who have lived in different countries, they can confirm these differences.

We have to disagree.

While many if not all of us have experience subtle and verbal racism, Even some physical robberies that may be racially motivated. The only instance of blatant and senseless physical racism by any family member is in the suburb of London.

I have a relative married to a Chinese Baptist pastor from HK, whose congregation unfortunately is anti-Chinese ever since he was assigned there. Being a pastor, he is very mild mannered and soft-spoken. They (2 adults and 2 small children) visited family in London suburb (1.5 hours away) for a week or so. One day, they run out of eggs and decided to go to the grocer on foot since they did not have a car. They asked some "fine English Gentlemen" for directions. They were not only taunted for no reason other than their race, they were followed by car when walking on a rustic road to the grocer, repeated pelted with egg over and over again for no other reason other than being mean and blatantly racist. Needless to say, the 2 children were traumatized. This happened perhaps 10 years ago in a span of 1 week stay but this kind of blatant physical racism is less common in the US.

Of course there are other more subtle and verbal racism also.

Now that is not what i would call quiet, reserved and polite.

 

[Dolcevita]

We have to disagree.

While many if not all of us have experience subtle and verbal racism, Even some physical robberies that may be racially motivated. The only instance of blatant and senseless physical racism by any family member is in the suburb of London.

I have a relative married to a Chinese Baptist pastor from HK, whose congregation unfortunately is anti-Chinese ever since he was assigned there. Being a pastor, he is very mild mannered and soft-spoken. They (2 adults and 2 small children) visited family in London suburb (1.5 hours away) for a week or so. One day, they run out of eggs and decided to go to the grocer on foot since they did not have a car. They asked some "fine English Gentlemen" for directions. They were not only taunted for no reason other than their race, they were followed by car when walking on a rustic road to the grocer, repeated pelted with egg over and over again for no other reason other than being mean and blatantly racist. Needless to say, the 2 children were traumatized. This happened perhaps 10 years ago in a span of 1 week stay but this kind of blatant physical racism is less common in the US.

Of course there are other more subtle and verbal racism also.

Now that is not what i would call quiet, reserved and polite.

Hence Gatekeepers post about life in the "quieter abode out in the sticks of London" and "being step back in time" does ring true.
You can believe it is exaggerated if you want. Just saying to inform,

 

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[AndrewS]

We have to disagree.

While many if not all of us have experience subtle and verbal racism, Even some physical robberies that may be racially motivated. The only instance of blatant and senseless physical racism by any family member is in the suburb of London.

I have a relative married to a Chinese Baptist pastor from HK, whose congregation unfortunately is anti-Chinese ever since he was assigned there. Being a pastor, he is very mild mannered and soft-spoken. They (2 adults and 2 small children) visited family in London suburb (1.5 hours away) for a week or so. One day, they run out of eggs and decided to go to the grocer on foot since they did not have a car. They asked some "fine English Gentlemen" for directions. They were not only taunted for no reason other than their race, they were followed by car when walking on a rustic road to the grocer, repeated pelted with egg over and over again for no other reason other than being mean and blatantly racist. Needless to say, the 2 children were traumatized. This happened perhaps 10 years ago in a span of 1 week stay but this kind of blatant physical racism is less common in the US.

Of course there are other more subtle and verbal racism also.

Now that is not what i would call quiet, reserved and polite.

You're focusing on your own experiences rather than the bigger picture.

If you re-read what I wrote, I was referring to racism in general, rather than the specific experience of racism against East Asians.

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Remember that in the USA, Asian-Americans are held up as a model minority who are educated, hard-working, quiet and subserviant.
And that the focus of US racism is targeted more towards Blacks and Hispanics who are far more common in the USA than in the UK.

Think about how the experiences of *Dirty* Mexican Immigrants or Black *Criminals* in the USA.

 

[muddie]

Yet more hypocrisy from Tom Cotton, who wanted to call in the army to crush protesters just the other day:

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1268778070112002048

Who cares what Tom Cotton thinks, he is a far right nationalist that even most Americans hate. He has made comments in the past that would be considered racist and highly derogatory, not to mention ignorant. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a closet white supremacist who has connections to various white supremacy organizations.

 

[AssassinsMace]

Asian-Americans are only held up as a model so that the US can ignore complaints of racism by African-Americans and anyone else. Do we see white families trying to emulate Asians? No. When that book about Tiger Moms came out, Americans were quick to criticize how those values don't teach social skills. It was all academics. And they point to Asians as being a model for others, it's really about putting a target on Asians to blame for why other minority concerns are being ignored.

 

[Dolcevita]

You're focusing on your own experiences rather than the bigger picture.

If you re-read what I wrote, I was referring to racism in general, rather than the specific experience of racism against East Asians.

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Remember that in the USA, Asian-Americans are held up as a model minority who are educated, hard-working, quiet and subserviant.
And that the focus of US racism is targeted more towards Blacks and Hispanics who are far more common in the USA than in the UK.

Think about how the experiences of *Dirty* Mexican Immigrants or Black *Criminals* in the USA.

OK.

However, Your discussion with Gatekeeper were about the rise of racial tension as it relates to potential migration of low skill East Asian as promised by Boris.

I was also adding my observation in distinguishing racial tolerance in London as opposed to outside of London, agreeing with Gatekeepers's observation below of life in quieter abode out in the sticks. Not exactly the same picture we see on TV.

I read your post and just saying that the discussion was more specific rather than general.

I hope you are right, but I think not. So we have to agreed to disagreed.

You see, I've been around a block or two. I see you're from London. Me having lived and worked in London and the home counties for nearly 30 years. I certainly have seen my fair share of racism. And racism comes in all forms.

I suspect you're a younger man than me. So all the race riots we had was probably history to you. Where as I, it was like yesterday. The Brixton race riots, toxiteth and others still etched deep in my memory.

Also, London is quite possibly the most multi-cultral city of the UK. now that I've moved to quieter abode out in the sticks. It's like a step back in time, where seeing a coloured person is still something you only do down the local Chinese take away.

The latent racism is there, and after experiencing the debacle of Brexit where all xenophobic bigot thought it was ok to voice their hatred of all things foreign. But now have gone back into their shell because Brexit has been won doesn't mean it isn't there. They just laying in wait till the next crisis involving foreigners. And that could be this Hong Kong BNO debacle! And when that happens, they will be out in force. The Tories knows that, which is why Boris is very careful with his words of "help". Only extend stay (a longer holiday), not full citizenship. I think the reactions from these latent racists would be quite different if it was full citizenship.



Everyday I have had to defend myself from friends and colleagues about Hong Kong like this.



Don't these thugs ever stop and give everyone some peace! Calling for boycott of school



It is pure brain washing of these kids that got where we are today. It's time to remind us this from last year. It's priceless, this woman claimed her son was killed aged 20 back in China in 1989 Tiananmen. How old was she to have given birth. You can't make it up. (You have to add another year to this, as it was last year's. But you get the ideal).

 

[AndrewS]

Who cares what Tom Cotton thinks, he is a far right nationalist that even most Americans hate. He has made comments in the past that would be considered racist and highly derogatory, not to mention ignorant. I wouldn't be surprised if he was a closet white supremacist who has connections to various white supremacy organizations.

You could replace words "Tom Cotton" with "Donald Trump" in that statement.

Yet this is who was elected to become President of the United States.

 

[localizer]

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1269720494544052224

From a hongkong "freedom fighter"

"I think Black people living in America should be thankful their ancestors got sold to America, or else they are still living African (people's) lives, you look at how much Africans want to escape Africa, and travel to America. Allegedly American boxer "the greatest" Muhammad Ali went to Africa in search of his roots, when he left Africa at last, he said he thank his ancestors stepping on that boat headed to America as a slave."

 

[supersnoop]

I want to hit my head against the wall when I read the HK stuff coming up again. Reality doesn't matter to the media or the radicals.

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Some waved flags advocating “Hong Kong independence” as they marched. Banners of “Heaven will destroy the CCP [Chinese Communist Party]” and “US troops please help to protect Hong Kong” were also displayed. Some protesters verbally abused police officers.

How many such banners were there? That is 100% sure sign of FLG. That is their classic slogan.

"Be like water" is something the HK protesters say, it is based on a quote from Bruce Lee. Bruce Lee HATED colonialism. He literally beat up white British kids as a teenager just to prove that you can't pick on Chinese people. Yet the protesters are waving British and American flags!

I read an article where the HK protester mindset does not read Chinese history. They don't feel they are Chinese, so it is irrelevant. I find this hard to believe, it is so short sighted, to the point of stupidity. US as a country/nation has only exist for a few hundred years, China a few thousand! Furthermore, and this is really ignored by MSM, but China has been building a multicultural society the whole time.

This is why it can only be outside forces driving the unrest. If it really was about freedom of speech, or some other "noble cause", then you would use Chinese values to your advantage. When you say "I am not Chinese", you've basically alienated like at least 50% of the population (if not more). It would be like Joe Biden dancing in front of a burning American Flag, then wondering why he didn't get elected in November.