Hong-Kong Protests

[solarz]

If he was being sarcastic, he would have said China or the CCP was to blame for the US civil unrest "because they're always responsible when bad things happen" or something like that.

If a person makes a sarcastic post about HK protesters being behind something they're clearly not, it's criticising people who say they're behind everything. That's obviously not what he was doing.



No, we're talking about American journalists, who you implied said individual people with molotov cocktails were peaceful.



I can't find any, you'll have to help me out.

You must be really sore from all that mental gymnastics.

 

[solarz]

Recent events have caused me to start questioning my atheism. I almost believe in a god now, because all that's happening is best explained by the theory that there is a god, and that this god loves China. What happened when the novel coronavirus first emerged? Americans gloated at China and condescendingly "advised" it that its "authoritarian" system was making the problem worse. What happened when the virus came to the Shining City on the Hill? It got hammered. Guess democracy doesn't cure all that ails you, right?

I'm not a Buddhist, but I believe in the Buddhist philosophy. You reap what you sow, and sometimes Karma is a bitch.

 

[daifo]

Americans really don't like being bashed. Media loves to spin China negatively. If China wants a better image in the US, they should say stuff rings positively to the people protesting and which would annoy the GOP. Issues like housing, education, jobs infrastructure etc. Something like "China believes that gov should help its population by providing <everything gop is againt like healthcare, infrastucture...> All this negative attacks by the GOP against China has ended up bouncing back and hitting the US in worst ways (covid19/ riots). Karma is terrible, better to act and live righteously.

 

[muddie]

Recent events have caused me to start questioning my atheism. I almost believe in a god now, because all that's happening is best explained by the theory that there is a god, and that this god loves China. What happened when the novel coronavirus first emerged? Americans gloated at China and condescendingly "advised" it that its "authoritarian" system was making the problem worse. What happened when the virus came to the Shining City on the Hill? It got hammered. Guess democracy doesn't cure all that ails you, right?

The Indispensable Nation was stirring up and egging on rioters and street thugs in Hong Kong, now look what's happening to it. The whole of America is on fire and it's just getting started. How did this start? Because a white racist cop murdered an unarmed and helpless black man in the most degrading and humiliating way imaginable. He strangled him as he was begging for his life, and kept strangling him for minutes after he died, posing him for pictures like he was some trophy animal. It's sickening just to think about and describe. This from a country that was bad-mouthing China because a couple of landlords unceremoniously evicted some African tenants who were living in China illegally. The infinitude of America's hypocrisy is beyond words.

It's because the Trump administration's right wing, ultra-nationalists have gone beyond the "subtle" anti-China media campaigns typically used and now trying to make up ridiculous claims against China, where any rationale person could see that its baloney. COVID combined with China's quick recovery (while the U.S. is still in crisis mode) has made the Trump administration desperate.

IMO it is just bad luck that on top of COIVD and a slumping economy, the Trump administration is now forced to deal with a racism crisis, all happening during election year. U.S. race riots happen frequently, with a big one every few years.

Trump has managed to make all major U.S. minority groups hate him.

 

[Mr T]

Still remember US Consulate official in Hong Kong photographed meeting with the Hong Kong protest leaders last year during the riot ? Imagine what will the US politicians and American people think if Chinese Consulate or Embassy official meets with the Black Lives Matter movement leaders now.

I guess most Americans would think it was a feeble attempt to bolster propaganda back home in China by making it look like the CCP cared about human rights. Like, no one in their right minds would think the CCP cares about the human rights of foreigners when it doesn't care about the human rights of Chinese people. But no one would actually care. Some people on social media would laugh, I guess.

It would be like a climate change denier going to an electric car factory and tweeting "we need more of these".

Institution of national security law in Hong Kong will stop this hostile act by the US government, just like the US national security act already in place will discourage Chinese officials from doing so.

What hostile act? What's hostile about embassy staff having a short, informal chat with students? If there was anything sinister about it, it would have been done inside the embassy or otherwise behind closed doors.

It seems like you think diplomats should be locked in their embassies and only come out for formal talks with their host nations.

They pigeon-holed me by attacking all Chinese. I'm not from Hong Kong nor the Mainland but they attack me just for being Chinese.

Yes, you shouldn't be attacked because you're Han or your nationality.

But, Mace, don't you think that perhaps you're being overly indignant? You've been on this forum long enough that your political opinions are well-known.

Stop me if I'm wrong but you:

1. Are 99.9% pro-CCP - I've certainly never seen you criticise the CCP on a major policy issue, except I think to say they were too soft and should be less diplomatic;
2. Are anti-multi-party, free and fair elections in mainland China or any territory considered under Chinese control/jurisdiction;
3. Are anti-free media and believe the media should serve the interests of the CCP/China;
4. Believe that open criticism of the CCP and any calls for the CCP to step aside for another political party would be treason, certainly if said by a Chinese citizen living in the PRC;
5. Believe the judiciary should serve the CCP and are against rule of law (i.e. where everyone, including the State, obeys the law, even if a court decision is against the government); and
6. Are against the HongKongese protesters and do not accept they have, or at any time have had, any genuine grievances.

Your posiiton makes me think of a guy complaining he was beat up by some Black Lives Matter protesters because he wore a stetson and cowboy boots, and had a southern accent, but when asked if that meant he wasn't racist was proud to say he was a paid-up member of the Klu-Klux Klan. And before you say it, no I'm not saying you're the same as a member of the KKK. However, you seem angry about the fact your detractors rightly guessed what your attitudes are.

 

[manqiangrexue]

I guess most Americans would think it was a feeble attempt to bolster propaganda back home in China by making it look like the CCP cared about human rights. Like, no one in their right minds would think the CCP cares about the human rights of foreigners when it doesn't care about the human rights of Chinese people. But no one would actually care.

The CCP doesn't care about human rights? LOL Compared to which country? Maybe some small liberal European ones with no ambition. Compared to the US, the country that's supposed to be a gold standard for the world, it's clear that the CCP cares wayyy too much about human rights because following America's example, on day 5 of the Hong Kong riots, the military should have been sent in to clear the streets by shooting non-lethal rounds at people just sitting there because they're breaking curfew. If a group is crowding a police car, just ram through it like a video game! Barricades? No problem; armored vehicles can go through those like a house of cards! When you arrest someone, just lean your knee on his neck for a couple of minutes until he's gone, then have the coroner say he died of other unrelated conditions LOL. Bet if that happened, those little terrorists would have went home real quick and told the CIA that money isn't worth their lives.

What hostile act? What's hostile about embassy staff having a short, informal chat with students? If there was anything sinister about it, it would have been done inside the emba

It seems like you think diplomats should be locked in their embassies and only come out for formal talks with their host nations.

If that's not a hostile act, then the US should stop bitching about Confucius Institutes around the US, shouldn't they? What's hostile about a place have informal cultural exchange with those who voluntarily come? And that doesn't even take into account that Confucius Institutes talk to normal peaceful people while the US embassy was having a "chat" with criminals that incite violence.

 

[AssassinsMace]

But, Mace, don't you think that perhaps you're being overly indignant? You've been on this forum long enough that your political opinions are well-known.

Stop me if I'm wrong but you:

1. Are 99.9% pro-CCP - I've certainly never seen you criticise the CCP on a major policy issue, except I think to say they were too soft and should be less diplomatic;
2. Are anti-multi-party, free and fair elections in mainland China or any territory considered under Chinese control/jurisdiction;
3. Are anti-free media and believe the media should serve the interests of the CCP/China;
4. Believe that open criticism of the CCP and any calls for the CCP to step aside for another political party would be treason, certainly if said by a Chinese citizen living in the PRC;
5. Believe the judiciary should serve the CCP and are against rule of law (i.e. where everyone, including the State, obeys the law, even if a court decision is against the government); and
6. Are against the HongKongese protesters and do not accept they have, or at any time have had, any genuine grievances.

Your posiiton makes me think of a guy complaining he was beat up by some Black Lives Matter protesters because he wore a stetson and cowboy boots, and had a southern accent, but when asked if that meant he wasn't racist was proud to say he was a paid-up member of the Klu-Klux Klan. And before you say it, no I'm not saying you're the same as a member of the KKK. However, you seem angry about the fact your detractors rightly guessed what your attitudes are.

I'm not a diplomat. I will go on the counter-offensive when attacked. It's absurd that I'm suppose to appease the offender. Do you bother telling the other side what you tell me? Since I have not seen any change to more civilized tactics on the Hong Kong side, then I'll assume you failed if you tried. Either way I will continue treating them as they treat Chinese. All I do is what the Westerners would do. So it should be acceptable. I haven't hurt innocent people like Hong Kongers have.

 

[Gatekeeper]

It bound to happen. Videos are out not comparing riots in USA and Hong Kong. Questions are asked: what's the difference? Why is the MSM report is so different?

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And to give you an example, here's my close family member in Hong Kong who is young and support the thugs posted on her Facebook about the situation in America, and comparing it with Hong Kong.

Sorry for those who don't read Chinese (traditional). Basically, she said there's no comparison. Because the mayor apologies. Police joined protest. The whole world knows it's not fair to the black people. Blue silk (pro-china) can not keep on using this to compare with Hong Kong protestors. 5 demand only one met. It is down to bad cop.

The young have no idea!

(小小疑問)
其實美國反警暴示威，該警員已被控謀殺，市長出嚟道歉，連警察都加入埋示威，全世界都支持黑人平權，我想問其實示威者係咪仲有咩訴求未達成? (藍絲們不要拿香港示威者相比了，5項訴求有4項都沒有達成)
另外，市民憤怒，破壞警局還可以理解，但搶劫是..(黑人問號)

 

[Mr T]

It's absurd that I'm suppose to appease the offender.

You can't complain if people correctly guess what your views are, even if it's through luck.

I haven't hurt innocent people like Hong Kongers have.

You're accusing all the protesters, or indeed all HongKongese, of being bad. You're doing exactly what you don't want done to you.

Also, let's look at what you say. You support the CCP to the hilt, and the protesters would argue that the CCP has hurt them and other HongKongese by ordering a crackdown and refusing to acknowledge they had any complaints.

 

[AssassinsMace]

You can't complain if people correctly guess what your views are, even if it's through luck.



You're accusing all the protesters, or indeed all HongKongese, of being bad. You're doing exactly what you don't want done to you.

Also, let's look at what you say. You support the CCP to the hilt, and the protesters would argue that the CCP has hurt them and other HongKongese by ordering a crackdown and refusing to acknowledge they had any complaints.

And don't kid yourself that you're a neutral observer. I haven't physically attacked anyone.