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Guys, what does this mean? (I'm no techy).

TSMC reportedly stops taking orders from Huawei after new U.S. export controls

Taiwanese Semiconductor Manufacturing Co., the world’s largest contract semiconductor maker, has stopped taking new orders from Huawei Technologies, one of its largest customers, according to the Nikkei Asian Review. The report said the decision was made to comply with new United States export controls, announced last Friday, that are meant to make it more difficult for Huawei to obtain chips produced using U.S. technology, including manufacturing equipment.

Orders taken before the ban or already in production will not be affected, if they can ship before September 14. Huawei, the world’s largest telecom equipment maker, is TSMC’s second-biggest customer after Apple. TSMC makes many of the advanced chips used by Huawei, including in its smartphones.

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That was a rumor, probably fabricated intentionally by US actors to further pressure TSMC and Huawei.

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TSMC said it does not disclose order details and added the report was “purely market rumour”.
Note that even after they learned TSMC's response they kept that news title.

This is a common tactic. For the average companies out there this would generate a lot of confusion and panic among employees and destroy the market price if that company is publicly-traded.

But Huawei is no average company. Their employees (a few who I know personally) seemed calm and prepared for this.
 
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Hendrik_2000

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Well this is news when according to Nikkei TSMC stop taking order from Huawei with this order they have half a year of supply
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Huawei to stockpile more semiconductor chips as US tightens restriction
Source:Global Times Published: 2020/5/18 16:58:40
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File photo: An exhibitor demonstrates a flash memory system developed by Huawei at the China International Big Data Industry Expo 2019 in Guiyang, southwest China's Guizhou Province, May 26, 2019. Photo: Xinhua



Chinese technology giant Huawei is likely to stockpile more semiconductor chips during the 120-day grace period following the US government's intensified restrictions to cut off supplies, industry insiders said.

They added that global chip makers, including the Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co (TSMC), will likely skew their production ability toward supplying Huawei during the grace period .


Taiwan media reported on Monday that TSMC, the world's biggest contract chipmaker and also a key Huawei supplier, received a large chip order worth $700 million from Huawei, in which TSMC will produce high-end 5nm and 7nm chips.

A senior industry analyst familiar with the chip supply chain confirmed the news to the Global Times, noting that the Huawei order was made last week, "right before the US government tightened the ban."

"Time is short and it's really a matter of speed now," said the insider.

On Friday, the US Department of Commerce said it was amending an export rule and its Entity List to "strategically target Huawei's acquisition of semiconductors that are the direct product of certain US software and technology," according to a statement on its website. The rule will come into effect on Friday but with a 120-day grace period.

"Huawei could have anticipated that the US was going to intensify its chip ban, as Friday marks one year since the Chinese firm was placed on the US Entity List - that's also why it has made its orders right before the deadline," Ma Jihua, an industry veteran analyst, told the Global Times on Monday.

Ma said TSMC may also rush orders with more resources tilted toward supplying Huawei, as losing a big customer like Huawei would be "destructive" for the Taiwan-based chipmaker. "However, the orders may only support its chip supply for half a year, as technology evolution in the sector runs fast," Ma said.

In the worst-case scenario, if the US continues its ban and Huawei uses up its chip stock, the company may cut or even sell its high-end consumer devices businesses, and return to its core telecommunications equipment manufacturing, Ma said, adding that the firm will not be defeated given its enormous strength in 5G, though 6G research and development (R&D) may be dragged.

Huawei's R&D rhythm, particularly for its future release of high-end consumer devices, will be affected. It needs to be flexible in its business layout and strategy, and make a strategy change according to the changing situation, industry analysts said.

The US' move has disrupted the global chip industry chain. Amid an industry reshuffle, some firms will die. Many US firms such as Qualcomm will feel the blow, said Ma.

On Friday, TSMC was also reported to have halted new orders from Huawei in response to tighter US export controls aimed at further limiting the Chinese company's access to crucial chip supplies, according to a report from Nikkei Asian Review, citing multiple sources.

TSMC said it does not disclose order details, adding that the Nikkei report was "purely market rumor," according to a Reuters report.

TSMC had not responded to an interview request from the Global Times as of press time.

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Hendrik_2000

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From global times As I said Chinese semiconductor machinery development was slow due to reluctance on Chinese semiconductor fab to buy Chinese product But now with this embargo they have no choice
Anybody know this company Huachuang Technology ?
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China’s chip industry must carve out a niche of its own amid US pummeling
By Xiang Ligang Source:Global Times Published: 2020/5/18 21:16:38

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Workers of HC Semitek, a leading Chinese LED chip maker, produce chips at its subsidiary in Yiwu in East China's Zhejiang Province. (Photo: Yang Hui/GT)
Recently, the US Department of Commerce announced that it would revise the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) to restrict Huawei's ability to design and manufacture semiconductors overseas using U.S. technology and software. There is no doubt that this is an unprecedented challenge for Huawei and even for China's semiconductor industry. Can China bear the pressure and take the initiative in the future?

To answer this question, on one hand, it depends on whether there is enough space for Huawei to survive; on the other it depends on how Huawei and China's science and technology industry make strategic arrangements in the future.

In the current situation, Huawei still has room to develop. Although communication systems also face the same pressure, the situation is not as serious as what's been expected. In general, the chip quantity of communication systems is small with an annual output of only one million in terms of base stations. Huawei is that clear about the current all-around pummeling its got recent years that it might have already started to stock its products, and still has a 120-day buffer period.

In addition, Huawei has also made 5G base stations without American products at all. Chinese enterprises can also be competent regarding original equipment manufacturers (OEM) as most of the communication system equipment does not have chip requirements as high as mobile phones do.

However, Huawei's mobile phone business will be greatly affected by the pummeling as foreign chips play an essential part in Huawei's phone production. But Huawei's next-generation mobile phone chip - the Kirin 1020 SoC - is supposed to be under production according to the current manufacturing process. With a buffer period of 120 days, Mate 40's chips can meet the demand.

For a while, Huawei can transfer part of its production capacity to enterprises like SMIC. In addition, TSMC is also actively seeking to obtain licenses from the US. Huawei can also seek to buy chips from Qualcomm, MediaTek and other enterprises to maintain the supply capacity of mobile phone products.

In the long run, even if TSMC gets a license and remains a Huawei OEM for the time being, China must abandon its illusions and make up its mind to build up its entire chip industry chain. In this respect, China has accumulated and gained some advantages.

First of all, today, China is the largest single market in the world, with the annual sales volume of mobile phones reaching 400 million. Moreover, China is also the country with the largest production and sales volume in the world in terms of personal computers (PC) and various intelligent products. Its domestic market alone can support the chip industry to develop. China's products also occupy a large share in the global market.

Second, China has made a major breakthrough in the field of chip design, and its design ability is basically in line with world-class levels. Today, China already has many chip design companies and has accumulated a full range of products. China has many products including video chips and other aspects as well.

Third, integrated circuit manufacturing companies are China's drawbacks in its chip industry, but it doen't mean that China has not developed itself in this industry. SMIC is also a well-known chip foundry enterprise, and currently has a mass production capacity of 14-nm chip. An important reason why SMIC's technology has been slow in the past was the lack of sufficient customers. If Huawei shifts more production capacity to SMIC, it will have a major breakthrough in research and development and production capacity.

Last but not least, China can also make breakthroughs in the field of lithography if the market is enough. Chinese companies such as Huachuang Technology also have certain know-how accumulation in the etching machine and lithography machine markets. However, their general strengths are still not strong enough and have drawbacks, such as lack of market and cost-effective large-scale investments. If there is a stable market, the progress of research and development will accelerate to make a breakthrough.


Therefore, China should try its best to find various opportunities to ensure Huawei's production capacity in the near future, integrate the capabilities of all parties in the industry chain and accelerate breakthroughs in the entire chip sector in the long run.

The author is director-general of the Beijing-based Information Consumption Alliance. [email protected]
 

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From global times As I said Chinese semiconductor machinery development was slow due to reluctance on Chinese semiconductor fab to buy Chinese product But now with this embargo they have no choice
Anybody know this company Huachuang Technology ?
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China’s chip industry must carve out a niche of its own amid US pummeling
By Xiang Ligang Source:Global Times Published: 2020/5/18 21:16:38

3e70f8c4-d3de-497c-8804-40fd62f98d9e.jpg

Workers of HC Semitek, a leading Chinese LED chip maker, produce chips at its subsidiary in Yiwu in East China's Zhejiang Province. (Photo: Yang Hui/GT)
Recently, the US Department of Commerce announced that it would revise the Export Administration Regulations (EAR) to restrict Huawei's ability to design and manufacture semiconductors overseas using U.S. technology and software. There is no doubt that this is an unprecedented challenge for Huawei and even for China's semiconductor industry. Can China bear the pressure and take the initiative in the future?

To answer this question, on one hand, it depends on whether there is enough space for Huawei to survive; on the other it depends on how Huawei and China's science and technology industry make strategic arrangements in the future.

In the current situation, Huawei still has room to develop. Although communication systems also face the same pressure, the situation is not as serious as what's been expected. In general, the chip quantity of communication systems is small with an annual output of only one million in terms of base stations. Huawei is that clear about the current all-around pummeling its got recent years that it might have already started to stock its products, and still has a 120-day buffer period.

In addition, Huawei has also made 5G base stations without American products at all. Chinese enterprises can also be competent regarding original equipment manufacturers (OEM) as most of the communication system equipment does not have chip requirements as high as mobile phones do.

However, Huawei's mobile phone business will be greatly affected by the pummeling as foreign chips play an essential part in Huawei's phone production. But Huawei's next-generation mobile phone chip - the Kirin 1020 SoC - is supposed to be under production according to the current manufacturing process. With a buffer period of 120 days, Mate 40's chips can meet the demand.

For a while, Huawei can transfer part of its production capacity to enterprises like SMIC. In addition, TSMC is also actively seeking to obtain licenses from the US. Huawei can also seek to buy chips from Qualcomm, MediaTek and other enterprises to maintain the supply capacity of mobile phone products.

In the long run, even if TSMC gets a license and remains a Huawei OEM for the time being, China must abandon its illusions and make up its mind to build up its entire chip industry chain. In this respect, China has accumulated and gained some advantages.

First of all, today, China is the largest single market in the world, with the annual sales volume of mobile phones reaching 400 million. Moreover, China is also the country with the largest production and sales volume in the world in terms of personal computers (PC) and various intelligent products. Its domestic market alone can support the chip industry to develop. China's products also occupy a large share in the global market.

Second, China has made a major breakthrough in the field of chip design, and its design ability is basically in line with world-class levels. Today, China already has many chip design companies and has accumulated a full range of products. China has many products including video chips and other aspects as well.

Third, integrated circuit manufacturing companies are China's drawbacks in its chip industry, but it doen't mean that China has not developed itself in this industry. SMIC is also a well-known chip foundry enterprise, and currently has a mass production capacity of 14-nm chip. An important reason why SMIC's technology has been slow in the past was the lack of sufficient customers. If Huawei shifts more production capacity to SMIC, it will have a major breakthrough in research and development and production capacity.

Last but not least, China can also make breakthroughs in the field of lithography if the market is enough. Chinese companies such as Huachuang Technology also have certain know-how accumulation in the etching machine and lithography machine markets. However, their general strengths are still not strong enough and have drawbacks, such as lack of market and cost-effective large-scale investments. If there is a stable market, the progress of research and development will accelerate to make a breakthrough.


Therefore, China should try its best to find various opportunities to ensure Huawei's production capacity in the near future, integrate the capabilities of all parties in the industry chain and accelerate breakthroughs in the entire chip sector in the long run.

The author is director-general of the Beijing-based Information Consumption Alliance. [email protected]

Given everything thats been happening in the last 3 years and the rhetoric from the White House, I am surprised, and slightly disappointed that China has not considered this issue as a national urgency earlier and put more resources into this before. It seems like huawei and Chinese government should have a plan b and put more resources into SMIC and equipment manufacturers earlier. I know hindsight is 20/20 but I feel this escalation was to be expected.
 

Hendrik_2000

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Given everything thats been happening in the last 3 years and the rhetoric from the White House, I am surprised, and slightly disappointed that China has not considered this issue as a national urgency earlier and put more resources into this before. It seems like huawei and Chinese government should have a plan b and put more resources into SMIC and equipment manufacturers earlier. I know hindsight is 20/20 but I feel this escalation was to be expected.

I think there is pull and push factor at work here The Chinese gov has done everything that need to be done. They funded the CAS and put money into SMIC But it is now depend on Huawei and other customer of chip to buy it that what it meant by market And yes Huawei was a big disappointment They put too much trust and worshiped the west at the altar. Like the statement of their CEO Ren who keep singing the swan song about American tech
And they don't have the Japanese mentality who would prefer their home product instead of import Guess a strong sense of inferiority complex from the Ren generation. Now they pay huge price for their complacency.

On the other hand only recently SMIC reached 14 nm chip technology barrier. And huawei has to compete against the best.
If anything China still pay the price for GLF and cultural revolution until today
 
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I think there is pull and push factor at work here The Chinese gov has done everything that need to be done. They funded the CAS and put money into SMIC But it is now depend on Huawei and other customer of chip to buy it that what it meant by market And yes Huawei was a big disappointment They put too much trust and worshiped the west at the altar. Like the statement of their CEO Ren who keep singing the swan song about American tech
And they don't have the Japanese mentality who would prefer their home product instead of import Guess a strong sense of inferiority complex from the Ren generation. Now they pay huge price for their complacency.

On the other hand only recently SMIC reached 14 nm chip technology barrier. And huawei has to compete against the best


I always personally thought the Ren "singing" was an act... I mean he stated a while back that "Google is a good company".... I refuse to believe Ren could be that naive, so the only possibility is that he was putting up an act.

Ren's younger daughter, not the CFO, was up until recently still attending Paris balls and getting swept up by Western men if you catch my drift... So I do agree there is too much of the worship west at the altar going on...

As for the Chinese government itself, I still confuses me why they can spent so much on other projects but nothing to show for EUV and have so little nuclear deterrence and such low stockpile etc either they are doing something the public don't know about, or this is the biggest blunder in the history of modern China.
 

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That was a rumor, probably fabricated intentionally by US actors to further pressure TSMC and Huawei.

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Note that even after they learned TSMC's response they kept that news title.

This is a common tactic. For the average companies out there this would generate a lot of confusion and panic among employees and destroy the market price if that company is publicly-traded.

But Huawei is no average company. Their employees (a few who I know personally) seemed calm and prepared for this.

Great. It's just a rumour! Gee.
 

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It is a gamble on US part and they might loose it too

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Washington is betting the farm on the hope that China and its partners won’t find a workaround in time. If they do, the new restrictions will be America’s last hurrah as a tech power. Ten years ago China would have been helpless. But during the past decade Chinese universities have muscled their way up to world class, thanks in large part to the return of tens of thousands of Chinese with doctorates from American universities.
China’s tech industry has the depth and breadth to attack the whole range of semiconductor production issues. Throughout the escalating Sino-American tech war, the Chinese have come up to speed faster than either Washington or the industry consensus expected.


The risk is that the US might lose the crown jewels – its leadership in semiconductor technology. That’s why the Trump Administration hesitated to impose a third-party export ban earlier.
At the urging of the US Defense Department, the White House rejected the nuclear option late in 2019, after America’s top tech designers warned that Chinese retaliation would shut them out of the Asian market. National Economic Council Chairman Larry Kudlow told the Wall Street Journal February 4: “We don’t want to put our great companies out of business.”

The president tweeted February 18: “The United States cannot, & will not, become such a difficult place to deal with in terms of foreign countries buying our product, including for the always used National Security excuse, that our companies will be forced to leave in order to remain competitive.”
Trump changed his mind after blaming China for the coronavirus epidemic. His trade adviser Peter Navarro declared last week, “We are at war with China,” and accused China of deliberately sending infected passengers on international flights from Wuhan to spread the virus.

Some observers attribute Washington’s increasingly hostile stance towards China to election rhetoric, but Trump didn’t have to throw a hand grenade into the semiconductor supply chain to get votes.
There is another, more ominous motivation. America faces a GDP decline of perhaps 10% during 2020, and an extremely uncertain recovery as it gradually reopens business activity without widespread testing or contact tracing.

The Asian economies – where the epidemic is largely under control– are coming back on line rapidly, and intra-Asian trade is booming (see “
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Asia Times, May 11, 2020).
Defense Secretary Mike Espers warned May 4 that China will use the pandemic to expand its footprint in Europe, “as a way to invest in critical industry and infrastructure, with effect on security in the long term.”
As a spinoff from its flagship 5G product, Huawei offers a series of artificial intelligence (AI) applications for healthcare, including diagnostic, telemedicine, and pharmaceutical research. China’s AI capacity played a key role in suppressing the epidemic, and hopes to lead in medical AI, possibly the 21st century’s biggest industry. China’s
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is an important selling point.

China meanwhile badly misplayed what should have been a strong hand. Navarro’s allegation that China deliberately spread the epidemic is inflammatory nonsense, and Secretary of State Mike Pompeo has yet to provide evidence that Covid-19 came from the Wuhan Virology Lab, as he alleged vociferously last week.
But China did prevaricate for weeks before admitting that an epidemic was underway – despite warnings from
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that the world might face a global pandemic.
Western scientists had an accurate picture of the risk by the first week in January, but with few exceptions failed to persuade their governments to act quickly. Beijing’s ham-handed attempts to buy influence through so-called face-mask diplomacy annoyed the Western countries most sympathetic to China.

Washington hopes that China’s loss of face through the epidemic will make it easier to impose controls on technology.
Retaliation against China through extraterritorial bans on chip sales is a high-risk response. LAM, Applied Materials and other American equipment makers dominate the present market, although Holland’s ASML has a monopoly on extreme ultraviolet lithography (EUV), the technology required to make the chips with the highest density of transistors.
Late last year the US persuaded the Dutch government to block the sale of a EUV machine to China. Last year the Chinese Academy of Sciences announced that it had
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, but it is far away from application to large-scale production. If China puts its industry on a wartime footing with Manhattan-Project style resources, it might develop substitutes faster than the US expects.


According to Dr Handel Jones, the CEO of International Business Strategies, a prominent semiconductor consulting firm, “Blocking 5 and 7 nanometer sales to Huawei” from Taiwan Semiconductor and other fabricators “will have a major impact on the ability of Huawei to be competitive in smartphones.

Blocking radio frequency devices and other products to Huawei will stop the buildout of 5G in China, and that will not be tolerated. Even switching designs to [the mainland Chinese fabricator] Semiconductor Manufacturing International Corp at 14 nanometers would take a year.”
“It is both a very serious and volatile situation,” Dr Jones added. “There is a 120-day grace period where hopefully compromises will emerge.”

China meanwhile is considering its response. From the Chinese side of the board, elementary game theory indicates a maximalist response designed to inflict extreme damage on the already-weakened US economy.
The Chinese English-language daily wrote May 17: “Some industry analysts believed that a counterstrike against US companies like Qualcomm and Apple might prompt them to lobby against such restrictions as their interests in the Chinese market are important for maintaining their sustainable growth. For instance, 65% of Qualcomm’s total revenue lay in China, according to media reports in August 2019.”
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It really wouldn't be wise to have designed Huawei's 5G equipment on the 7nm rather than the 14nm node unless it was absolutely necessary.
 
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