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German vehicle builder eyes 4 British companies as it moves toward Boxer bid
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The Boxer is at the center of a debate in the government and the wider defense sector in Britain. (Andrew Chuter/Staff)
LONDON — ARTEC is making four of Britain’s top defense companies compete on various work packages ahead of the German armored vehicle builder deciding who it wants to join its team bidding to sell the Boxer eight-wheel drive vehicle to the British Army.

BAE Systems, Pearson Engineering, Raytheon and Thales are all pulling together bids to make or assemble substantial elements of the favored Boxer vehicle as the German company seeks to prove to the U.K. government it can provide a value for money solution that also delivers local jobs and economic benefit.

The Boxer is at the center of a debate in the government and the wider defense sector here, resulting from the German vehicle being eyed by the British Army and others as a possible sole-source acquisition in order to meet the timetable for the introduction of two planned strike brigades starting in 2023.



“MIV has been recently approved to go forward by the MoD’s Investment Approvals Committee; the money is there and the only significant issue appears to be which acquisition strategy to adopt — single-source or throw the program open to competition. It’s a very sensitive issue, and the debate is happening across several government departments, including the Treasury, who gets a big vote in this,” said one executive who asked not to be named.

Rival eight-wheel drive vehicle makers have been fighting what many regard as a rear guard action to head off a sole-source decision in favor of Boxer.

Part of their argument, they say, is that Boxer is expensive and doesn’t represent value for money for the taxpayer.

ARTEC and its parent companies, Rheinmetall and Krauss-Maffei Wegmann, are alive to the heat generated by the value for money questions in a sole-source deal involving Boxer.

It’s an expensive piece of kit in a crowded market where rivals generally have cheaper offerings and spare capacity to address early production requirements.

In part, that’s why ARTEC was talking up the competitive element of their industrial team-building efforts at the DSEI defense show in London, where two Boxers were on show, one of them painted as a giant Union Jack.

Stefan Lischka, ARTEC’s managing director, admits getting the big contractors to bid at this stage in an internal competition is an unusual way to go about forming a team but added it will demonstrate which companies are really competitive ahead of entering a formal partnering arrangement.

“We have never done this before; it’s not the usual way we form a team. The companies involved are tier one companies. They understand the prosperity agenda requirements of the British government and the importance of value for money arguments as well. In the autumn, we will know our team and be prepared, whatever the outcome of the MoD’s acquisition strategy work,” he said.

“We asked the four companies to compete with each other and started the process in May. We asked them who was interested in what. Not everybody has got everything, but we have at least two companies, sometimes three, involved in order to give us a competition,” he said.

The German executive said they have asked the companies to bid on a representative slice of Boxer, including complex assemblies, assembly of complete modules, welding of modules and assembly of the vehicle, just to see who is competitive and who isn’t.

“You can assume Pearson is not aiming for development of a command post module, and Raytheon is not aiming for welding steel structures. It will be what they are expert in,” he said.

“We don’t know the likely outcome yet. It could be one company gets it all, which is quite unlikely, but it may be only two or three of them get selected,” said Lischka.

The ARTEC boss reckons that between the level one partners and a strong British supply chain, the company can place a minimum 60 percent of the work on a British Boxer buy in the U.K.

Uniquely, Boxer utilizes mission-specific modules that can be quickly swapped over on the common chassis as the requirements change. Germany, the Netherlands and Lithuania have purchased the vehicle so far.

Most of the design work for British-specific mission modules, along with construction and integration of modules and final assembly of the vehicle would be among the work undertaken in the U.K. if Boxer secures the deal.

The British Army and the Defence Equipment and Support arm, or DE&S, of the Ministry of Defence have been pushing for months to purchase hundreds of Boxer’s sole to meet the key Mechanized Infantry Vehicle requirements planned service date of 2023.

Opposition companies have been urging the MoD to run a quick competition to select a vehicle that meets cost as well as war-fighting requirements.

Nexter, Patria, BAE, Lockheed Martin, ST Kinetics and General Dynamics are all interested in offering platforms of their own or under license if the decision is taken to launch a competition.

The British have been trying for the best part of 30 years to buy a vehicle. They were once part of the Boxer program but dropped out as the Army’s requirements changed. More recently, the MoD selected the General Dynamics Piranha 5 for the eight-wheel drive program only to cancel the agreement at the last minute.

With that track record as a backdrop, executives who Defense News spoke with at DSEI reckoned a single-source deal would better suit the ability of DE&S to bring home the program.

The troop carrier is a vital component of a British Army restructuring program that will see two new strike brigades achieve initial operating capability by 2023 equipped with Ajax tracked reconnaissance vehicles and the MIV.

The Ajax program is already well advanced. General Dynamics UK, which is building the vehicles in a £3.5 billion deal, worth $4.7 billion, is on course to deliver the first platform to the Army next month.

“Ajax is now in its low-rate initial production phase with Ares, the first of the six variants, to be delivered to the Army shortly,” an MoD spokesman said.

By contrast, the MIV component of the strike brigades is far behind.

It’s been two years since the chief of the general staff, General Sir Nick Carter, used the DSEI 2015 show in London to effectively relaunch the eight-wheel drive requirement. The need for the vehicle was further confirmed in the strategic defense and security review later in the year.

But 24 months later, the program is only now approaching announcement of an acquisition strategy.

Army officers at DSEI said work on the strategy is continuing but that a decision would be forthcoming by the end of the year.
 

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Industry is expecting an announcement late October or early November. Most, but not all, put the chances of an open competition on MIV at less than 50 percent.



A second executive, who asked not to be named, said that a letter written recently to Fallon and procurement chief Harriett Baldwin about MIV competition had received a less-than-convincing response.



In an interview with Shephard Media on Sept. 14, Carter said that he was keen to push ahead with a rapid acquisition of the MIV but there were limitations to overcome.



“We are inevitably constrained by competitive rules, so it’s very much a question of working out how you can manage that constraint while achieving something quickly,” he explained.



“That is why it is taking a while to work out, … but I’m pretty confident that we will get an acquisition strategy that will be agile enough to deliver what we need in the timelines that we need it.” he said.



Defense consultant Alex Ashbourne-Walmsley of Ashbourne Strategic Consulting said that whatever the outcome of the acquisition strategy decision, it hadn’t reflected well on the procurement reforms implemented by the MoD.



“It’s been extremely slow given the requirement was well defined and extremely necessary. The strategic defense and security review in 2015 made it very clear this vehicle was essential for the future shape of the Army and, therefore, to have a two-year period without an answer on acquisition strategy suggests that despite reforms, procurement practices are as sluggish as ever.”



A third executive, who also asked not to be identified, said there was “evidence to say a Boxer sole-source deal is a lot of people‘s preferred option. But it’s not over until it’s over and the whole thing is in a very sensitive state. It’s at a very high-level [in the government]; the arguments have been made. They are pretty good, and we’ll have to see the outcome. The Army is acutely aware the longer you take to launch a program the longer it is to get your vehicles.



The government is conducting a mini-strategy review which is largely, but not entirely, financially driven.



The outcome of capability review later this year will dictate the fate of a number of programs, but the feeling is that MIV will survive as long as the strike brigade concept survives.



“It all hangs on the strike concept enduring, and having heard Nick Carter speak during the DSEI show, I think it will. I don’t see any indications strike won’t come through a national security review, so in that case, you have got to have MIV and Ajax. They may have to trade one or two smaller programs to keep it on track though,” said the third executive.
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The Boxer program long ago started as a joint German, British, French program. The French bailed out to start the VBCI the Dutch then joined. The British then entered the Iraq war and pulled out of the Boxer.
 

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Oshkosh Defense fits remote weapon station, anti-RPG armor on JTLV


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The Joint Light Tactical Vehicle came to London configured for the British Army, its first international customer. (Photo by Jen Judson/Staff)






LONDON — With a sale of the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle to the British military seemingly in the bag, platform-builder Oshkosh Defense turned up at the DSEI show in London, England, this week sporting a few ideas of what the machine might look like when the British Army gets its hands on it.



Aside from giving the JLTV the obligatory coat of British Army green paint, Oshkosh fitted its show vehicle with an in-service Kongsberg remote weapon station, AmSafe Bridport anti-rocket-propelled grenade armor and a Harris radio.



George Mansfield, the vice president of international programs at Oshkosh Defence, said the configuration was meant to give a glimpse of the sort of items the British could fit based on those already in the inventory. He noted it wasn’t representative of any particular requirement.




The executive said it hadn’t been decided where British-specific work would be undertaken in the U.K., but the company was working to introduce more local content.



Export of the JLTV to the British via U.S. Foreign Military Sales was recently approved by the U.S. State Department, and Mansfield said it soon expects a letter of agreement from the British.



A spokeswomen for the British Ministry of Defence said it anticipates a final decision on the FMS proposal “in early 2018.”


The final go-ahead for the deal may have to await the results of a largely financially driven capability review due for completion by the end of the year by the British government.


The U.S. Defense Security Cooperation Agency announcement on FMS said approval had been given for up to 2,747 vehicles in a package, together with spares and support, worth just more than $1 billion.



The actual number, at least initially, is more likely to be around 750, according to a parliamentary defense committee report published in April.


A sale to the British would represent the first export success for JLTV.


The JLTV purchase proposal is the first of a two-part British Army program known as Multi-Role Vehicle (Protected), or MRV(P).


Between them, the two types of general-purpose vehicles will help cover command and logistics duties in support of the development of a more capable fighting division and the formation of strike brigades for the British Army by 2025.


General Dynamics, Mercedes-Benz and Thales are competing for the second part of the MRV(P) requirement involving the supply of a troop carrier and a battlefield ambulance.
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Aug 31, 2017
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now I found some time to go through stuff in Internet, quickly before I forget (LOL I'm not saying it'll be accurate or nothing):

the most likely winner is a derivative of #1
#1 so called Cutlass
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Jul 15, 2016

because:
  1. the vendor is
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    which for the Government means PORK;
  2. it's more than just a concept, I mean this:
    ... the OPVs for Oman ...

    could be scaled up, while
  3. #2, #3 are just inside brochures:
#2 so called Venator
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#3
so called Spartan
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updating now with

first point: the most recent model of what I called #1 above:
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Model of BAESystems Type 31e contender or "Corvette".


second point: so called Arrowhead Sep 8, 2017 I'm going to call #4 https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/uk-military-news-reports-data-etc.t2437/page-252#post-472732
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(just a concept study, as are #2 and #3 above)

third point: I still think the BAE will win
 

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Good news

DSEI 2017: UK defers Harpoon retirement

The RN has deferred a decision to retire its Harpoon anti-ship missiles
  • The move will partially alleviate a capability gap in RN anti-ship missile capabilities

Boeing Harpoon heavy anti-ship missiles will remain in service on Royal Navy (RN) Type 23 frigates after the UK Ministry of Defence deferred a decision to retire the weapon in 2018 without replacement.

Speaking at the Defence and Security Equipment International (DSEI) 2017 defence exhibition, held in London from 11-15 September, senior RN sources told Jane’s the sea-skimming GWS 60/Harpoon Block 1C missiles would remain in service at least until 2020. “There is work ongoing to look at options for longer extension in service,” said one source.

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Sep 8, 2017
Wednesday at 7:54 AM

now noticed (through
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) kinda request for proposals for:
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(available in PDF:
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)
I don't have time for this right now, just noticed:
"Core: Capable of fitting hull-mounted sonar."
isn't it funny?
"core" ASW requirement to be "capable of fitting hull-mounted sonar" ...
but yeah, this is what a quarter of bil pounds buys ...
now noticed a related blog post
Shipbuilding Strategy and Type 31: it does not actually look like renaissance.
September 9, 2017
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commenting on pathetic "capabilities" of such a vessel
 
"The Harpoon anti-ship missile was due to be retired from Royal Navy service in 2018, that is now understood to have changed.

Multiple sources this morning have reported that the missile has gained a reprieve.

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that senior sources informed them that the missles would remain in service at least until 2020. ..."
... etc. inside
Harpoon gains reprieve as decision to retire the Anti-Ship missile is deferred
September 17, 2017
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makes me wonder if those "sources" are from the Admiralty, or from the nearest whiskey bar
 

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British guys have understand mainly politics ofc and going for fix that problem :cool:

Sea Venom interesting but it is not a Harpoon with a big warhead or even a Penguin.
 
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