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Mike North

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Jeff Head said:
Un-frigging-believable.

They are planning a twelve year window with no ASM for their frigates.

And what of the Darings? The ASM they have is the older harpoons...so are they going to lose it too? IOW, NO ASM AT ALL for the Royal Navy surface combatants?

@Obi Wan Russell ...is this true?

What are they smoking over there at Whale Island and Northwood?

We had to fight like banjees to get decent ASMs back on the LCS, but the US Navy plan with the tactical Tomahawks and the LRASM was already in place and the Burkes will have those...now the lCS and FFGs will also have a very decent ASM.

But for the Royal Navy to loose ASM from 2018 to 2030?

I am shocked!
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Its a bit shocking for sure. I think its budget crazyness. If is is Locally made it seems to go ahead. Imports seem to be delayed or cancelled. Building warships gets them jobs but whats the point if the ships are unarmed! Perhaps the Brit Gov thinks if a shooting war begins, they can quickly get their ASM's from the manufacturers or borrow some from the inventory of allies. If they have no plans i agree they must be smoking something
 
Jura The idiot

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kwaigonegin said:
I'm not! UK has been gutless for a few years now. Same with many European countries. These politicians are very short sighted.. The cannot just rely on the USN to loan muscle everytime they need it.

At any rate, this is just a tiny symptom of a much bigger picture. It is a forgone conclusion that the era of 'Western' dominanace has past it's apogee and on the decline.

After many centuries of global dominance, economic and by nature military power will shift from Europe to Asia in the coming decades.
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I guess if they thought you had been right, they wouldn't talk 'deep strike' off two supercarriers (which they're building) using STOVL aircraft (which they're buying); they want to 'project power' this way, you know
 
kwaigonegin

kwaigonegin

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Jura said:
I guess if they thought you had been right, they wouldn't talk 'deep strike' off two supercarriers (which they're building) using STOVL aircraft (which they're buying); they want to 'project power' this way, you know
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So are you saying just because UK has a yet to be operational carrier (vs NONE) and one building automatically negates my point about global economic and military power shifting from West to East? LOL

The US is the ONLY country tipping the balance. If you strictly compare Europe vis a vis Asia, the trending is pretty much a forgone conclusion.

The mighty navies of the Dutch East Indies, the British Empire, France, Portugal, Spanish etc is but a tiny tiny shadow of their former selves. You don't need to be a historian to realize that. I am merely stating facts.
 
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A guide to the UK’s RC-135 Rivet Joint surveillance Aircraft

The United Kingdom purchased three KC-135R aircraft for conversion to RC-135W Rivet Joint standard under the Airseeker project, let’s take a closer look.

Acquisition of the three aircraft is budgeted at £634m. The aircraft form No. 51 Squadron RAF, based at RAF Waddington along with the RAF’s other ISTAR assets. They are expected to remain in service until 2045.
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Airseeker_Infographic.jpg
 
Jura The idiot

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kwaigonegin said:
So are you saying just because UK has a yet to be operational carrier (vs NONE) and one building automatically negates my point about global economic and military power shifting from West to East? LOL

The US is the ONLY country tipping the balance. If you strictly compare Europe vis a vis Asia, the trending is pretty much a forgone conclusion.

The mighty navies of the Dutch East Indies, the British Empire, France, Portugal, Spanish etc is but a tiny tiny shadow of their former selves. You don't need to be a historian to realize that. I am merely stating facts.
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LOL my sarcasm didn't appear to work

in the real world, not in the world of 1990s planners by now retired, the RN needs a completely different force structure, as I said Aug 19, 2017
Jura said:
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I would've thought the RN, knowing its budget and manpower limitations Dec 8, 2016

, should've concentrated on its ability to protect the traffic and the UK interests (Cod Wars come to my mind) in the Northern Atlantic; instead, though, the RN concentrates on fanciful stuff of dubious combat value = two carriers with F-35Bs but no AShMs and no escort vessels with AShMs ... just imagine if they had entered the Persian Gulf at the time of hostilities
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and now specifically add sea-mines from Apr 5, 2017
Jura said:
hmmmm
Possible future capability Minelaying
Notes An absurd capability gap, but UK has no existing stock of naval mines
April 4, 2017
Restoring the UK’s maritime patrol aircraft capability (Part 2)
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(how much is a sea-mine, ten grands? tragicomic)
 
Jura The idiot

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Wednesday at 7:54 AM
Jura said:
Aug 27, 2017

... today:
UK defense chief to reveal Type 31e shipbuilding strategy

6 hours ago
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now noticed (through
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) kinda request for proposals for:
Type-31-Frigate-Specification.jpg

(available in PDF:
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I don't have time for this right now, just noticed:
"Core: Capable of fitting hull-mounted sonar."
isn't it funny?
"core" ASW requirement to be "capable of fitting hull-mounted sonar" ...
but yeah, this is what a quarter of bil pounds buys ...
 
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Today at 7:53 AM
Jura said:
Wednesday at 7:54 AM

now noticed (through
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) kinda request for proposals for:
Type-31-Frigate-Specification.jpg

(available in PDF:
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)
I don't have time for this right now, just noticed:
"Core: Capable of fitting hull-mounted sonar."
isn't it funny?
"core" ASW requirement to be "capable of fitting hull-mounted sonar" ...
but yeah, this is what a quarter of bil pounds buys ...
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and now became aware of a new concept study:
just watched this short vid ... I'm going to post more if I find anything on "Arrowhead"
 
Jura The idiot

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Jura said:
Today at 7:53 AM

and now became aware of a new concept study:
just watched this short vid ... I'm going to post more if I find anything on "Arrowhead"
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there's a marketing brochure available inside
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containing this:
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kinda beamy thing ... anyway, even if they installed the max. amount of tubes
(24 = 16 VLS cells + 8 AShMs), and they obviously wouldn't do it as just the armament might then eat up the allocated funds Today at 7:53 AM,
the ship would be still underarmed: Jul 5, 2017
(as we on the SDF know, also 4k-displacing Type 054A has 40 tubes)
 
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Janiz

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Cool project but JMSDF is getting about the same as the 'ideal' on the video for twice the price. It's only possible for this amount if PRC would make it for them.
 
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