CV-16 Liaoning (001 carrier) Thread II ...News, Views and operations

[Jeff Head]

Well let's hope nobody turns on their cell phone to call mom when they are about to go into battle.

As for the 14x J-15's, that's the most I've ever seen at one time. But if this is a full loadout photo then there'd better be 10 more parked downstairs.]

Could you provide a link to or the picture of 14 x J-15s in the Liaoning at one time?

We have soured the net and never come up with a picture of over eight on deck at one time.

 

[Iron Man]

Positions 10, 11 and 12 are not available when recovery is in progress.

Again, this is just your personal opinion which you have no evidence for. We have already discussed this before. BTW, if these positions are not available when recovery in progress, why are these positions slanted exactly so that they do not intrude on to the angled flight deck? Clearly they are meant to park fighters in such a way as to allow other fighters to land at the same time.

Could you provide a link to or the picture of 14 x J-15s in the Liaoning at one time?

We have soured the net and never come up with a picture of over eight on deck at one time.

This is per Hendrick's claim referencing the first two photos in his post #123, which if taken at the same time would definitely represent 14 J-15s parked on the flight deck.

 

[weig2000]

I indicated ten years ago that the Chinese would make their carrier combat ready.

Many people did not believe so and somehow believed the propaganda that it somehow would always only be a training carrier. The Ukraine made that "sort" of a condition. But no one in the know on military matters at the time in the US Naval War College or even at the USNI believed it would be so...I know i didn't and I voiced it fairly stright forwardly.

Of course it has to start off training...it was all they had. But to tink that they would not make it fully combat apabkle was simply not to be believed.

Now they have announced it themselves.

And of course they would. Such an investment would always be developed to the point of its maximum capability and that is what the chinese have done...and will do with all of their future carriers as well.

THy have worke d hard and done a good job for this STOBAR carrier and will quickly move to making the second one just as capable.

I epect after that, they will begin launching and making CATOBAR carriers combat capable as well.

In a blog post today, pop3 tries to clarify the missions and roles of Liaoning in PLAN. He said a lot of people got the impression that Liaoning is primarily a ship for training and scientific experiment originated from MOD spokesman, who said during a press conference on 7/27/2011 that China was refurbishing an old aircraft carrier in order to conduct "training and scientific experiments."

The spokesman was not entirely wrong. As China's first aircraft carrier, Liaoning is expected to shoulder a lot of training and experimentation tasks, much more than any other types of ships in PLAN. But it would be wrong to think Liaoning as strictly a training ship, a la Type 82. In fact, Liaoning is fully equipped with combat capabilities. The spokesman might have said so to keep it low keyed.

As evidence that Liaoning is commissioned as a combat ship, pop3 cited the development document that stipulated Liaoning's primiary missions and roles, which are quite different from a training and experimentation ship. Among the six primary roles/missions, the first was "conduct strategic deterrence," the second is "command area sea control and air control," etc. Finally, he showed this picture at Liaoning's commissioning ceremony:



The board in the background specifically stated: Type 001 Aircraft Carrier Commissioning Ceremony. So it's clearly inducted as an aircraft carrier, not a training ship.

By the way, a while back we had some heated discussions about the naming convention of China's aircraft carriers (001, 001A, 002, ... vs CV-16, CV-17, etc.). Clearly, PLAN calls its first aircraft carrier Type 001, not CV-16 or Liaoning.

 

[SteelBird]

By the way, a while back we had some heated discussions about the naming convention of China's aircraft carriers (001, 001A, 002, ... vs CV-16, CV-17, etc.). Clearly, PLAN calls its first aircraft carrier Type 001, not CV-16 or Liaoning.

To me, I think Type 001 is the name of the type or class, not the ship itself while 16 is ship number. Finally the ship name is Liaoning. CV-16, CV-17... are called by netizens following USAN convention.

 

[bd popeye]

I saw this photo on sina military channel;

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This PLAN shipmate is lighting a boiler aboard CV-16. The boiler room/main machinery space is very clean & well maintained. To me as an old salt he's missing his safety gear. Boilers are know to backfire and explode. Check out the gear the USN wears when lighting off boilers. Note the faceshield and special fire resistant clothing and heavy duty gloves.

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GULF OF ADEN (June 30, 2015) Machinist Mate 2nd Class Jose Mendez and Machinist Mate 3rd Class Nicholas Navaeoff conduct boiler light off procedures in the aft main machinery room of Wasp-class amphibious assault ship USS Essex (LHD 2). The Essex Amphibious Ready Group and the embarked 15th Marine Expeditionary Unit (15th MEU), are deployed in support of maritime security operations and theater security cooperation efforts in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of operations. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Christopher A. Veloicaza/ Released)

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This shipmate was disfigured by a boiler explosion aboard USS Frank Cable...

SAN ANTONIO (Aug. 12, 2009) Machinist's Mate 1st Class Michael Lammey looks at the command coins he has collected while in the Navy, including his time at Brooke Army Medical Center in San Antonio, Texas. Lammey is recovering at Brooke Army Medical Center after being burned when a boiler exploded aboard the Emory S. Land-class submarine tender USS Frank Cable (AS 40). (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 2nd Class Jhi L. Scott/Released)

 

[weig2000]

To me, I think Type 001 is the name of the type or class, not the ship itself while 16 is ship number. Finally the ship name is Liaoning. CV-16, CV-17... are called by netizens following USAN convention.

Agreed. 16 is the pennant number, Liaoning is the name of the specific ship. 001 is the type. The discussion back then is really not about Liaoning/CV-16/001, rather it's more about what we should call the upcoming ships CV-17, CV-18, or 001A, 002.

In any case, I meant to mention what PLAN called CV-16/Liaoning internally seeing this picture, not to reopen the discussion.

 

[Jeff Head]

...This is per Hendrick's claim referencing the first two photos in his post #123, which if taken at the same time would definitely represent 14 J-15s parked on the flight deck.

This first one shows six forward toward the bow and you only see one back by the angle.



They are not lined up like this second photo...where you see eight lined up by the island. You can look and see only the one...zooming in makes it onsvious that there are not eight are even several lined up there by the island in the 1st pic.



Again, the most I have ever seen are ight together.

Now, I do not doubt that they have deployed with more on the carrier...I'd just like to see 12 on the deck for a PR pic.

 

[SteelBird]

Agreed. 16 is the pennant number, Liaoning is the name of the specific ship. 001 is the type. The discussion back then is really not about Liaoning/CV-16/001, rather it's more about what we should call the upcoming ships CV-17, CV-18, or 001A, 002.

In any case, I meant to mention what PLAN called CV-16/Liaoning internally seeing this picture, not to reopen the discussion.

One more thing I'd like to remind you is that the term CV-xx is USN term, PLAN don't use it. As I know, PLAN call their ships by name or number. For the case of Liaoning, they call it Liaoning ship or 16 (never heard though) ship. For convinience, you can call it CV-16 as you like but it's not a formal term. For upcoming ships, you can call it whatever you like but, again, they are not formal.

 

[fatfreddy]

I read with interest on another site the number of improvements to the propulsion system including manipulation of the steam pressure so they can get improved performance. Any comments on that?

 

[Iron Man]

By the way, a while back we had some heated discussions about the naming convention of China's aircraft carriers (001, 001A, 002, ... vs CV-16, CV-17, etc.). Clearly, PLAN calls its first aircraft carrier Type 001, not CV-16 or Liaoning.

You act as if this photo were being published for the first time. I have seen this photo before, which means I'm sure many people here have also seen this photo before. That CV-16 is being called "001" is not under debate. On the other hand, can you produce a photograph of a "001A"???

To me, I think Type 001 is the name of the type or class, not the ship itself while 16 is ship number. Finally the ship name is Liaoning. CV-16, CV-17... are called by netizens following USAN convention.

Right, 001 must be a class designation, as in Type 001.