Aircraft Carriers III

[FORBIN]

not sure what you're implying FORBIN ... West smart, East stupid maybe? LOL

my question (directed at bd popeye in the context of the numbers for the Hyuga, but never mind) was

and let's wait and see how it works out for sooo smart QEs

My answer is in relation with it, i don' t understand your " joke ", look the crew for main asian and european combattants and you can see.
Also AAW oriented ships have always a more numeous crew.

 

[FORBIN]

John F. Kennedy (CVN 79) Construction Progress September 2016

Huntington Ingalls Industries announced today that its Newport News Shipbuilding division placed a 900-ton superlift into dry dock, continuing construction of the nuclear-powered aircraft carrier John F. Kennedy (CVN 79). As Kennedy begins to take shape in the dry dock, the ship’s cost and construction schedule continue on track with significant improvement over its predecessor, the first-of-class Gerald R. Ford (CVN 78).

“We continue to focus on reducing cost, and we are pleased with our progress,” said Mike Shawcross, Newport News’ vice president, CVN 79 carrier construction. “The incorporation of lessons learned from CVN 78 on to CVN 79—and major build strategy changes to construct the ship a different way—are having a significant impact on our construction efficiencies, just as we anticipated they would.”

 

[Jura The idiot]

My answer is in relation with it, i don' t understand your " joke ", look the crew for main asian and european combattants and you can see.
Also AAW oriented ships have always a more numeous crew.

FORBIN I think Brumby would tell you "you are diverting the subject of this conversation"
after
Yesterday at 9:05 PM

Very nicely appointed ship. She does look deserted..

My observation
1) The crew is to small. only 360.. This would be a great factor as far s damage control is concerned and future ablity to handle more aircraft..

2) Why is that Phalanx CIWS on the bow and not on a sponson?

3) As Jeff stated those elevators would be better placed along the deck edge.

I just can't imagine being on a ship that size with such a small crew. Who cleans it? Nor enough sailors for a proper field day.

Field Day - To scrub or otherwise clean a ship's spaces...all of them.

(see the parts I highlighted?) I reacted to bd popeyes' post:
Yesterday at 9:10 PM

wonder what are you going to say about
Displacement: 70,600 tonnes
Complement: 679 crew, not including air element;

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then you quoted me with:
Yesterday at 10:30 PM

Different reasons coz in Asia things are different,in Western combattants more automated for save cost with more small crew as for all branchs personnal down since 1990 down, down and down ... increase a bit from Crimea.

In Asia you have Armies Cold War style, big, for give an idea many bases, units but despite that not a size comparable with NATO and URSS in 1980's by ex USSR have an enormous army much powerful than China now, no comparison.

And Asian combattants ofc are also modern, recent more automated as before but have crew more numerous, personnal is much less expensive in Asia in particular with conscripts, in Western Europe almost all Armies are professionalized now.

which I didn't understand, and I should've left it right away, as I was only interested in bd popeye's opinion about crew-size of the Queen Elizabeth aircraft carriers (and I thought you were kidding me with some West-East comparisons

I have nothing more to say, but if you want anything, I'll be having a lunch-break for 25 more minutes in this pub, so just tell me LOL!

 

[bd popeye]

wonder what are you going to say about
Displacement: 70,600 tonnes
Complement: 679 crew, not including air element;

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Same thing..the crew is too small for a ship as large as a Forrestal class. Who's going to clean it? Who's doing firefighting and damage control? Disasters do happen...
I wonder how damage control works? There must be a lot of automation like aboard the Marine National Mistral class ships...Who's doing repair when systems break down? And they do break down. Stuff happens.

I hope what is depicted in this film that is 45 years old NEVER happens aboard any naval vessel of any nation on this Earth.

 

[Jeff Head]

I hope what is depicted in this film that is 45 years old NEVER happens aboard any naval vessel of any nation on this Earth.

But sadly...sooner or later...they will.

You are dealing with high explosive munitions, highly flammable fuels, large aircraft, sometimes harsh weather, pitching decks, and a bunch of 18-22 year old kids in charge of dealing with them.

We train them ell...but in the kind of circumstances that sometimes arise, all it takes is one mistake and you get things like the 1966 Oriskany incident, the 1967 Forrestal incident, and the 1969 Enterprise incident.

And those are just the really major ones. Smaller ones continue to happen every now and then to this day.,

 

[FORBIN]

If Russia do air naval combat operations in Syria it is the first time Russia do it, never USSR also have do, so i let' s imagine their experience in comparison with USA and France... in more Su-33 never used for A2G attacks build, designed as an navalized Su-27S/P first variants for to be used as pure superiority fighters...... !!!

A thing is sure they are not able do much sorties a day from the Kuznetsov reliable watchers say we go mainly for a show...

So training necessary

Northern Fleet Su-33’s Redeployed to Crimea for Training

Three Su-25UTG aircraft and three Su-33 carrier-based fighters were redeployed from the Severomorsk-3 airfield of the Northern Fleet to the Saki airfield. The training sessions will take several weeks and include 10 flying shifts.

Crews of the shipborne fighter regiment of the Russian Northern Fleet aviation began on Monday practical training at the NITKA range in Crimea, the press-office of the fleet reported.

Three Su-25UTG military training aircraft and three Su-33 carrier-based fighters were redeployed from the Severomorsk-3 airfield of the Northern Fleet to the Saki airfield. The aircraft will be involved in training flights. In addition, 70 servicemen of the flying and technical personnel of the shipborne fighter regiment of the Northern Fleet arrived in Crimea. Among them are five young pilots who have no experience in carrier take-off and landing," the report read.

The training sessions will take several weeks and include 10 flying shifts. After the practice is completed the pilots will return to their deployment site. They will begin preparation for flights to the Admiral Kuznetsov aircraft carrier. The NITKA range is a special aviation training facility which imitates the deck of an aircraft carrier. It is used for practicing carrier take-off and landing.

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[Jeff Head]

If Russia do air naval combat operations in Syria it is the first time Russia do it, never USSR also have do, so i let' s imagine their experience in comparison with USA and France... in more Su-33 never used for A2G attacks build, designed as an navalized Su-27S/P first variants for to be used as pure superiority fighters...... !!!

A thing is sure they are not able do much sorties a day from the Kuznetsov reliable watchers say we go mainly for a show...

So training necessary

Can we expect to see then the Kuznetsov in the med using the SU-25s to attack ISIS?

I also heard that China is potentially considering in joining in with Russia on attacks in Syria. Anyone hear this?

Would that mean potentially we will see the Liaoning deploy there?

That would be something to see...Kuznetsov and Liaoning using their own Naval Air to hit ISIS.

 

[FORBIN]

These days, Charles de Gaulle nice pics ! with Mistral, Cassard.

 

[Jeff Head]

These days, Charles de Gaulle nice pics ! with Mistral, Cassard.
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I want to see on of those PR shots with 20 or more Rafales on deck!

That will be a really nice...and powerful photo.

 

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French industrial group DCNS has delivered LHD (Landing Helicopter Dock) Anwar El Sadat, the second of two helicopter carriers acquired by the Arab Republic of Egypt.

The flag transfer ceremony took place September 16, 2016 in the presence of the two Chiefs of Staff of the Egyptian and French navies, Admiral Rabie and Admiral Prazuck, the chairman and CEO of DCNS, Hervé Guillou, and the president of STX France, Laurent Castaing, together with senior French and Egyptian officials. By 2020, DCNS will have supplied seven combat vessels to Egypt, thus contributing to the modernization of the Arab Republic of Egypt's defense system.

On October 10, 2015, DCNS signed a contract with the Ministry of Defense of the Arab Republic of Egypt for the supply of two Mistral-class Landing Helicopter Dock vessels (LHDs), the first of which, LHD Gamal Abdel Nasser, was delivered June 2, 2016. The flag transfer for the two helicopter carriers forms an integral part of the continuity of the strategic partnership with the Egyptian Ministry of Defence formalized already in July 2014 through the signature of a contract for the sale of four Gowind corvettes, then in August 2015 through the delivery to the Egyptian Navy of the FREMM multimission frigate Tahya Misr. DCNS has also secured long term multiannual maintenance contracts for Egyptian Navy vessels, as well as a technology-transfer agreement allowing the Alexandria shipyards to build three of the four Gowind corvettes acquired in 2014.

The LHD Anwar El Sadat will leave Saint-Nazaire in the next few days to sail to its home port of Alexandria. On this occasion, the Egyptian and French navies will participate in a joint exercise. Since June, 180 Egyptian sailors have been receiving training in Saint-Nazaire on this LHD. In line with the Egyptian Navy's image of excellence, they completed a remarkable task in just a few months of work, with the support of the DCNS instructors and our partners STX France and Défense Conseil International. In all, close to 400 Egyptian sailors will have received training in this way.

Able to conduct a wide range of civil and military missions, the Mistral-class LHD is a vessel that responds to the needs of numerous navies thanks to its versatility. With a length of 199 meters, a displacement of 22,000 metric tons and a speed exceeding 18 knots, the Mistral-class LHD vessel is characterized by its high capacity for the transportation of troops, equipment, heavy helicopters and landing craft, which it is capable of projecting around the world. It is equipped with an electric propulsion system that uses pods. It also has an onboard hospital, and can carry out large-scale humanitarian missions. Its highly capable communication system makes it the ideal command vessel within a naval force.

The fruit of a close collaboration between DCNS and STX, the three first LHDs, Mistral, Tonnerre and Dixmude were delivered to the French Navy in 2006, 2007 and 2012.

Here's a couple of more pictures of the Egyptian Navy Anwar el Sadat, 1020 LHD:





...and of course, this beautiful ship follows on the heels of the Gambel Abdel Nasser, 1010, LHD that the Egyptian Navy already took delivery of. Here's a couple of pics of her: