Terrorism against Chinese targets

siegecrossbow

General
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good job. hope those PAP guys got promoted.

Yup.

Also, if you watched the video carefully, you'll notice two regular Chinese cops with peashooters (backup?) in the background. One of them looked away after the terrorist got shot.

Goes to show that regular cops in China are not used to physical violence. That's why the PAP is essential.
 
Yup.

Also, if you watched the video carefully, you'll notice two regular Chinese cops with peashooters (backup?) in the background. One of them looked away after the terrorist got shot.

Goes to show that regular cops in China are not used to physical violence. That's why the PAP is essential.

Both regular cops basically wince and turn away probably ready to run most likely being afraid of debris from the shooting. Regular police training must be improved so that they are comfortable with using the firearms they are now equipped with and managing the consequences when firearms are used.
 

B.I.B.

Captain
Hmmm …….Having spent a portion of my working life in the NZ Police I’m not all impressed with the way the PAP handled the situation at all. In NZ we are told only to shoot if we felt that lives were in imminent danger and if we did what the PAP did, we would have received unrelenting criticism by the public.

The situation would have been assessed and it was pretty clear that the man held an axe in one hand and perhaps a knife of some sort in the other, which he threw down after the warning shot was fired. He was no longer a threat after being hit with the opening shots as he threw the axe so there was no need for the continued shooting as he was collapsing and on the ground.

Secondly was there any need to have opened fire as the thrown axe was not in a life threatening trajectory and missing the police.
 

AssassinsMace

Lieutenant General
Here's something I don't know why the pro-police side doesn't use. Remember the Paris terrorist attack on the Jewish deli?


The terrorist basically runs through a hail of bullets before he drops at the feet of the police. Bullets don't always stop someone instantly. I can see why police are seen unloading their weapons which can look like excessive force.
 

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Captain
Here's something I don't know why the pro-police side doesn't use. Remember the Paris terrorist attack on the Jewish deli?


The terrorist basically runs through a hail of bullets before he drops at the feet of the police. Bullets don't always stop someone instantly. I can see why police are seen unloading their weapons which can look like excessive force.

I would do the same if someone was running and firing at me at the same time. However I would be in trouble if the person wearing an explosive vest and one hand on the pressure switch.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
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Moderator - World Affairs
Hmmm …….Having spent a portion of my working life in the NZ Police I’m not all impressed with the way the PAP handled the situation at all. In NZ we are told only to shoot if we felt that lives were in imminent danger and if we did what the PAP did, we would have received unrelenting criticism by the public.

The situation would have been assessed and it was pretty clear that the man held an axe in one hand and perhaps a knife of some sort in the other, which he threw down after the warning shot was fired. He was no longer a threat after being hit with the opening shots as he threw the axe so there was no need for the continued shooting as he was collapsing and on the ground.

Secondly was there any need to have opened fire as the thrown axe was not in a life threatening trajectory and missing the police.

In Toronto a cop shot a teen 9 times on an empty streetcar because he had a knife. 5 times when he was lying on the ground, not moving

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Hmmm …….Having spent a portion of my working life in the NZ Police I’m not all impressed with the way the PAP handled the situation at all. In NZ we are told only to shoot if we felt that lives were in imminent danger and if we did what the PAP did, we would have received unrelenting criticism by the public.

The situation would have been assessed and it was pretty clear that the man held an axe in one hand and perhaps a knife of some sort in the other, which he threw down after the warning shot was fired. He was no longer a threat after being hit with the opening shots as he threw the axe so there was no need for the continued shooting as he was collapsing and on the ground.

Secondly was there any need to have opened fire as the thrown axe was not in a life threatening trajectory and missing the police.

It is a reasonable assessment that the axe was intended and was going to hit someone when it was obvious the man will throw it at the PAP but before it was actually in the air. In the US this situation definitely would have warranted deadly force at that point. I do agree there should not have been shooting after the man had fallen to the ground.

I do have several other observations and questions:

- I assume neither the police nor the PAP had tasers? It would have been good from an intelligence perspective to be able to interrogate the man if he was arrested alive. I am guessing it is another cost issue.

- If just two of either the regular police or the PAP had riot gear, long baton and shield, and the appropriate training they could also have subdued the man alive with little risk to themselves.

- Why were the PAP so close to the man? Assuming they have average marksmanship they should be able to guarantee a hit from multiple times the distance they were at where he could not threaten them. The regular police probably can't hit the man though unless they were at the distance the PAP were at.

- What was the larger context of what is seen in the video? Was this the end of a long pursuit or an initial response? Were the five officers the only authorities assigned to the scene? Could they have called and waited for appropriately equipped backup to capture rather than kill the man without undue risk to anyone else? What is the organizational response of the authorities to such a situation? Was this man a lone wolf or could he be part of a bigger group of hostiles? Was this during a normal time or a curfew?
 

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Captain
In Toronto a cop shot a teen 9 times on an empty streetcar because he had a knife. 5 times when he was lying on the ground, not moving

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I understand the said officer is being prosecuted for murder/manslaughter and if found guilty he could expect to spend a loooooong time in jail.
 
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