Terrorism against Chinese targets

plawolf

Lieutenant General
China just passed a new counter-terrorism law, creating a new single national counter-terrorism agency with associated special forces units.

There are also now standard clauses in line with international trends on requiring tech companies and service providers to provide technical support to monitor electronic communications of terrorist suspects.

However, the most unexpected part is that it apparently now authorises the Chinese military to conduct operations overseas.

I would not read this as saying that Chinese laws did not allow for this before now, it would have been in a legal grey area, but that would not have prevented China from employing the PLA overseas on counter terrorism operations if a situation had arose that called for such a move.

However, I think the fact that Beijing has decided to explicitly write that clause into the new law is significant. In my view, Beijing would not have done that and effective shown a spotlight on the issue and possibility if it did not see scenarios and needs for the overseas deployment and/or use of the PLA.

In my view, that clause is as much about testing the waters to see how world powers respond as it is about clearing the way legally speaking.

So I would say, watch this space carefully.
 

Equation

Lieutenant General
China just passed a new counter-terrorism law, creating a new single national counter-terrorism agency with associated special forces units.

There are also now standard clauses in line with international trends on requiring tech companies and service providers to provide technical support to monitor electronic communications of terrorist suspects.

However, the most unexpected part is that it apparently now authorises the Chinese military to conduct operations overseas.

I would not read this as saying that Chinese laws did not allow for this before now, it would have been in a legal grey area, but that would not have prevented China from employing the PLA overseas on counter terrorism operations if a situation had arose that called for such a move.

However, I think the fact that Beijing has decided to explicitly write that clause into the new law is significant. In my view, Beijing would not have done that and effective shown a spotlight on the issue and possibility if it did not see scenarios and needs for the overseas deployment and/or use of the PLA.

In my view, that clause is as much about testing the waters to see how world powers respond as it is about clearing the way legally speaking.

So I would say, watch this space carefully.

True, but the clause has more to do with counter terrorism domestically. Is it any different from the US Homeland Security Act? That I don't know, to some extent it has similarities and some differences. Will there be a new department in the MSS created specifically to fight terrorism outside the mainland? I believe they've already done that in secrecy of course.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
True, but the clause has more to do with counter terrorism domestically. Is it any different from the US Homeland Security Act? That I don't know, to some extent it has similarities and some differences. Will there be a new department in the MSS created specifically to fight terrorism outside the mainland? I believe they've already done that in secrecy of course.

How this law will be implemented is very much unknown at this point, however, I very much doubt a special unit, never mind department will be created to fight terrorism outside of China.

China will focus only on terrorism threats against China, but I think they are going to be a hell of a lot more proactive in hunting down terrorists who base themselves outside of mainland China.

I have long argued that China needs to go after the planners, financiers, enablers and maybe even the cheerleaders and apologists of terrorism inside China and not just focus on the pawns sent into China to launch actuall attacks.

Hopefully this is the first step in China actually doing that.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
You meant outside of china?

My fault for not phrasing that more clearly, but I did mean inside of China, as in terrorists attacks inside China, whereas the planners, financiers, apologists and cheerleaders are almost always based outside of China.

As such, China cannot hope to make meaningful progress against terrorism by limiting itself to only moving against terrorists and their supporters and sympathisers inside China, since most of the most influential figures would never dare set foot in China.

Despite all the western media propaganda, the Chinese state has actually been exceptionally abiding of international laws, norms and in keeping its own word.

Had any western nation suffered terrorist attacks as China had, with the thousands of deaths now cumulatively caused, there is absolutely no doubt that any western country with the power to do so would have ripped up any and all international laws, conventions and its own past promises and principles in the way to go "get 'em", no matter where they are based (most of these scum don't even bother to hide themselves and some positively bask in them public limelight) and by any means necessary.

I do not suggest China should throw away its principles or commitments, but it shouldn't be against anyone's principles and commitments to protect its citizens and seek justice for those already killed by terrorists.

If any nation have a problem with that, it's their problem, not China's, and if they harbour terrorists, then they should also suffer the consequences.

The terrorists ringleaders and cheerleaders should also not be allowed to live a safe and comfortable life. Ideally, they should be hunted down and arrested or killed, but minimally, they should be forced to spend their lives on the run and in hiding, always in fear and looking over their shoulder until the day justice catches up with them.

I challenge anyone to have a problem with any of that.
 

vincent

Grumpy Old Man
Staff member
Moderator - World Affairs
The terrorists ringleaders and cheerleaders should also not be allowed to live a safe and comfortable life. Ideally, they should be hunted down and arrested or killed, but minimally, they should be forced to spend their lives on the run and in hiding, always in fear and looking over their shoulder until the day justice catches up with them.

I challenge anyone to have a problem with any of that.

Just put a price on those f*ckers heads
 

GreenestGDP

Junior Member
Well, we have a problem in terms of exterminating Uighur Terrorism in PRC.

IMHO, the problem is within PRC ... ...

There are factions of Scientists, Businessmen, Artists, Government Officials, PRC media such as CaiXin, and especially those in Shanghai business communities within PRC society that are so pro the Behind the scene Master.
These factions are so willing and bending over backward to please the Master Nation of Uighur Terrorists Organizations.

All these years, every time the Master Nation of Uighur Terrorists is humiliating PRC, these brainwashed factions within PRC society are always undermining and preventing the effort of those PLA officers who want to proactively go on the offensive to attack the #1 true behind the scene Master of the Uighur Terrorists.


For examples:

1) PRC main media CCTV and CaiXin ~ have they ever informed the
PRC general population what damages Rebiya Kadeer has done to PRC? ~ and where is she hiding herself now ?

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siegecrossbow

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Peaceful protesters at work abroad.

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JAKARTA (Reuters) - Indonesian authorities are working with their counterparts in China to stem a flow of ethnic Uighur militants seeking to join Islamist jihadists in the world's most populous Muslim country, Indonesia's counter-terrorism chief said.

Saud Usman Nasution's comments come amid mounting concern in Indonesia about possible attacks by sympathizers of the Islamic State group and follows the arrest of 13 men across the island of Java, including a Muslim Uighur with a suicide-bomb vest.

The appearance among Indonesian militant networks of Uighurs, who come from the Xinjiang region in far-western China, is likely to add to Beijing's concerns that exiles will return to their homeland as experienced and trained jihadists.

China says Islamist militants and separatists operate in energy-rich Xinjiang on the borders of central Asia, where violence has killed hundreds in recent years.

Rights groups say much of the unrest can be traced back to frustration at controls over the Uighurs' culture and religion, and that most of those who leave are only fleeing repression not seeking to wage jihad. China denies repressing rights.

Nasution, who heads the National Counter-Terrorism Agency, told Reuters in an interview on Tuesday that several Uighurs had responded to a call last year by Santoso, Indonesia's most high-profile backer of Islamic State, to join his band of fighters.

Islamic State and human trafficking networks helped them travel via Myanmar, Thailand and Malaysia to Santoso's hideout in an equatorial jungle of eastern Indonesia, he said.

However, the would-be suicide bomber arrested on Dec. 23 was hiding in a house just outside the capital, Jakarta.

"We are cooperating with China and investigating evidence such as ATM cards and cellphones," Nasution said, adding that an Indonesian team went to China to interview members of the man's family, who would not confirm that they were related to him.

There was no immediate comment from China's foreign ministry on whether Beijing is collaborating with Indonesia.

"As far as China is concerned, these people are running off, some of them taking part in jihad and planning to strike back," said Pan Zhiping, a terrorism expert at the Xinjiang Academy of Social Sciences.

"Of course we must stop them. I believe, in terms of jointly guarding against extremism, it is necessary that we cooperate."

Bilveer Singh of the Rajaratnam School of International Studies in Singapore said the direct involvement of Chinese Uighurs in Southeast Asian militancy added "an external dimension to the existing home-grown terrorist threat".

"It could also complicate ties with a rising China, which may want to play a bigger counter-terrorism role in the region," Singh said in a Eurasia Review article.

'SERIOUS CONCERN FOR CHINA'

Indonesia's security forces have given Santoso, who styles himself as the commander of the Islamic State army in Indonesia, until Jan. 9 to surrender along with his force of about 40 men on the far-flung island of Sulawesi.

However, security analysts believe a larger threat is emerging across the populous island of Java as networks of support for Islamic State grow.

Indonesia has been largely successful in disrupting domestic militant cells since the bombing of two nightclubs on the resort island of Bali in 2002, and sporadic attacks have been mainly targeted at the police.

The government is now worried that the influence of Islamic State, whose fighters hold swathes of territory in Syria and Iraq, could bring a return of jihadi violence and strikes against foreigners and soft targets.

Officials believe there are more than 1,000 Islamic State supporters in Indonesia, and say that between 100 and 300 have returned from Syria, though this includes women and children.

Nasution said that monitoring of radical groups had revealed plans to launch attacks on Christmas Eve and around the New Year holiday but the situation was now under control.

"They cannot attack like in the Middle East or Europe because we anticipate before they attack. We monitor their activities every day," he said. "Their capability has not increased because their personnel is limited, their funding is limited and explosives are limited."

Police spokesman Suharsono said the Uighur arrested just outside Jakarta was part of an Islamic State-affiliated group based in the Central Java city of Solo.

Officials declined to comment on media reports that two other Uighurs from the same group were on the run, but they did confirm that three Uighurs were with Santoso.

Four others were sentenced last year to six years in prison for conspiring with Indonesian militants.

Todd Elliott, a Jakarta-based terrorism analyst for Concord Consulting, said many Uighurs will see Indonesia as more accessible than Turkey or Syria and are exploiting entrenched smuggling and human-trafficking networks to travel around the region undetected.

"I am sure returning Uighur fighters are a serious concern of the Chinese government," he said, adding that Islamic State's hardline ideology has gained traction among small minorities in both Xinjiang and Indonesia, binding them closer together.
 
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