Terrorism against Chinese targets

I have to agree with Solarz. Sadly, many in the English media will only harden future generations of Chinese against the West. I am sorry to see it happen but I do not know what can be done to avert this. First things first (back OT), let's take a quote from a former KGB Lieutenant Colonel and 'waste the terrorist in the outhouse.' It's difficult to strike a balance between keeping a good public image and doing what is necessary to win the campaign for Xinjiang. I don't envy the PAP/CCP personnel who have to deal with it. Seems much like a lose-lose job where you've got a bounty out on your head

solarz said:

However, I would also point out that Xinjiang has never been a tranquil region since it was most recently incorporated into Chinese territory in the Qing Dynasty. The Qing fought quite a few battles with Uighur tribes, and this kind of history has a lasting and reverberating impact.

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I agree with the rest of your post and the general meaning of it, but not quit with this part.

First Uyghurs are not nomads, they are settled farmers in village or traders and craftmen in the city. They therefor do not live in tribes.

Second, The Qing did not fight more or severer battles with Uyghurs than any other group of people in other part of China. I emphasize this to say that Uyghur issue is not really an issue to the government back then.

The most significent war that Qing fought in Xinjing was actually with the Dzungars, an Oriat Mongol tribe in the northen part of Xinjiang which is mostly settled by various Mongol tribes instead of Uyghurs who concentrated in the southern part of Xinjiang and were relatively peaceful with the Qing government. After the campain against the Dzungars, northern Xinjing was repopulated by state orgnized imigrants of Han, Hui, Manchu, loyal Mongols and Uyghurs. I remember reading a source saying that there was a quota or ratio of 2:9 (Han/Manchu : Uyghur). The reason was that the Han and Manchus are settled soldiers, while Uyghurs were farmers as they were in their southern home. The ratio is to make sure the garrison is supported by the local populations.

The latest war in late Qing was in the 1870s Muslim rebelling in many western provinces including Xinjing. But the main rebels were Hui (Chinese Muslim), not Uyghurs.

The last part of the campain was between Qing and a foreigner Yaqub Beg from morden day Tajikstan with Russian backing. It ended in 1878. BTW, I can not find his ethnic background, so I would not blame Uyghurs for his act.

All the significant fights between the Uyghur population and the Qing in its last days had Russia (1900s and onwards) and Soviet Union and Turkey (1930s and on wards) shadows. They were never Qing or Chinese republics initiations.

From this you can see that for most part of the time till the end of 19th centry, Uyghurs were not making any more troubles than other Chinese populations.

I'd like to know the details of this threat. Was it a threat targeting Westerners or a general threat at this shopping mall? Is it only terrorism when Westerners are threatened? Sounds like a whole lot of media spin because it questions the narrative of what's reported by them on terrorism in China. According to the media, China treats Muslims in an inexcusable way than Westerners so why would they be only targeted? That previous incident where the Chinese wife was killed and her French husband injured by a sword-wielding attacker who said he hated Westerners as stated in another article I read... probably not Chinese because why would they link it to this terrorist threat? Sounds to me the media is working to make sure their narrative on "terrorism," meaning lack of in order to not give China an excuse, is not proved wrong.

AssassinsMace said:

I'd like to know the details of this threat. Was it a threat targeting Westerners or a general threat at this shopping mall? Is it only terrorism when Westerners are threatened? Sounds like a whole lot of media spin because it questions the narrative of what's reported by them on terrorism in China. According to the media, China treats Muslims in an inexcusable way than Westerners so why would they be only targeted? That previous incident where the Chinese wife was killed and her French husband injured by a sword-wielding attacker who said he hated Westerners as stated in another article I read... probably not Chinese because why would they link it to this terrorist threat? Sounds to me the media is working to make sure their narrative on "terrorism," meaning lack of in order to not give China an excuse, is not proved wrong.

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I have read the original weibo post of the Beijing Police. In it the warning is to general public. No where in it mentioned westerners. One can come up with any speculations, but I believe it is nothing specially related to westerners, more possibly related to Uyghur terrorists snicking back from Syria and Iraq.

So I believe it is a western media spin. Why do they do that? I will make a bold guess. These terrorists will kill anyone including westerners regardless where they hit. But the western medias can never say they are terrorists, they can never mention them in their real names. So the only way to warn westerners in Beijing to stay safe (not being a collateral damage of the "good" terrorists) is to point at other terrorists who specifically targetting westerners, that's the spin. It basically is saying "friendly fire incoming, stay away."

They are "extremists", not "terrorists", according to western media

vincent said:

They are "extremists", not "terrorists", according to western media

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what ever they say, it is tomayto-tomahto, potayto-potahto.

vincent said:

They are "extremists", not "terrorists", according to western media

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Just wait till a westerner gets killed by those lunatics. Then there would be no question that they are terrorists.

So long as the west keeps playing this BS 'good terrorist bad terrorist' double game, they will never be safe themselves.

Sometimes it's like looking at someone with repeative amnesia.

They decide a bunch of crazy extremists are 'good terrorists' because they like killing people the west doesn't like, so western intelligence agencies give them support and backing, and before long these same people are killing westerners with a big old grin on their faces.

It happen with Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Libya, then Syria, and now Xinjing.

I mean, how many times can the same people keep making the same mistakes and get away with it?

What will it take for the west to forever forsake trying to use terrorists? A chemical weapons attack on a western city or a tactical nuke attack? Because sooner or later, that's where this road of trying to use terrorist will eventually lead to.

plawolf said:

They decide a bunch of crazy extremists are 'good terrorists' because they like killing people the west doesn't like, so western intelligence agencies give them support and backing, and before long these same people are killing westerners with a big old grin on their faces.

It happen with Afghanistan, then Iraq, then Libya, then Syria, and now Xinjing.

I mean, how many times can the same people keep making the same mistakes and get away with it?

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U forgot Chechnya, my friend.

On September 12, 2001, the second day after "that" happened, Russian FSB kindly required US to stop supporting extrimists hiding in Caucasus Mountains through CIA outpost in Azerbaijan. Russians thought US could be somehow more reasonable after feeling the hurt of terrorism by flesh, but CIA didint give those Ivans a shit.

What we know next, are the hijack in a theatre in Moskow, the Beslan middle school massacre, the train station explosion in Volgograd······

And, completely unsurprising, pressure-cookers with love from Chechnya in Boston Marathon.

No matter how great powers want others to go to hell, the affairs among them are still within the frame of secular, industrialized, civilized world. Those who have a mind of Medival and determined to drag the mordern society back to the Dark Age should never be considered as "useable".

Skye_ZTZ_113 said:

I have to agree with Solarz. Sadly, many in the English media will only harden future generations of Chinese against the West. I am sorry to see it happen but I do not know what can be done to avert this. First things first (back OT), let's take a quote from a former KGB Lieutenant Colonel and 'waste the terrorist in the outhouse.' It's difficult to strike a balance between keeping a good public image and doing what is necessary to win the campaign for Xinjiang. I don't envy the PAP/CCP personnel who have to deal with it. Seems much like a lose-lose job where you've got a bounty out on your head

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Though the subject matter may not be as dramatic most of the time, all public service and government jobs are pretty much lose-lose jobs. So many people take public services and public goods for granted, and often desire and admire unfair abuse of it for private gain while wrongly, often knowingly wrongly, blaming the government for the damage.

Equation said:

Yeah but the more those media keeps telling slanders about China the more they lose credibility and the more no one would care about them.

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One can only hope.