Russian Su-57 Aircraft Thread (PAK-FA and IAF FGFA)

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b787 said:
i am not biased,

However i am open, this year i told you Sukhoi reported the T-50-5 was going to be repaired, and i was right, not because i predicted it, but because i knew to trust official sources.

Same was the Su-35, i read China was in negotiations for the Su-35, i believed the report and i was right.

The cannibalization of T-50-6, is not official that is a forum gossip, you sometimes do not distinguish between gossips on Forums and official information, do not take me wrong people in forums make theories and later they believe them are facts..;)/QUOTE]

1. Of course you're not!

2.You always are!

3.See 2. above

4.Of course its just gossip, why else would all the senior posters here believe it???

I am biased, I fly my flag every day, but I do take off my "rose colored glasses" and make accurate honest assessments, first of all about my own bias, since I recognize my bias, I can then look for the truth, but first you have to be honest with and about yourself, and I am frequently wrong, but when I am I issue an apology and a retraction/correction.

Keeps me from flapping my yap about stuff I don't understand???
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b787 said:
If you ask me about the F-35, i do not dislike it, is not my favorite aircraft, true, but it is not a fighter, it is an attack aircraft, and that is very limited, the only true fighter is the F-22, but sadly people think F-35 is great with those tiny wings, fat cross section and delicate skin.

The fact the F-16 can beat it show how important is Thrust vectoring and supercruise capability in stealth fighters highly compromised by un-aerodynamic features, but nationalism blinds people.;)
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Your statement is so flawed and a gross misrepresentation that it warrants a response.

So let's deal with each specific issue in their proper context :
(i) that the F-35 performed poorly in a dog fight against a F-16.
This issue had been so completely debunked due to misrepresentation that I am amazed that you are raising it.

In contrast, at least put some weight on someone who kniows what they are talking about. For example :
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WASHINGTON: During the Marine’s
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of the F-35B, four of the Marine aircraft went up against nine enemy aircraft.

“It went very poorly for the bad guys,” Lt. Gen. Jon Davis, deputy commandant for aviation, told me this afternoon. Davis provided few details, saying they were classified, He did say that the F-35s faced a threat that “we have never put an F-16 or a Harrier against.”
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did a “great job.”

I asked Davis about the recent news that the F-35A did not fare that well in dogfight conditions against an F-16. “I love the F-16. It was a great airplane. Still is pretty good, but i would not want to be in a fight against an F-35.”
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(ii) F-16, thrust vectoring and supercruise
Sorry, firstly there is no relationship in your statement as the attributes mentioned are not resident in the F-16. Secondly, while TVC and supercruise have their merits, they also bring equally downside issues to the equation, e.g.higher IR footprint.
 
b787

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do not take it personally, you simply have another way of looking things, to my the F-22 is the fighter that was well designed, F-35 well i agree with Pierre Spey, you do not need to agree, but in my personal view, Russia is not the USSR, the Soviet aircraft programs were kept secret more time, Russia is not like that, they have TV reports all the time about it, even pictures regularly, the TV shows Sukhoi workshops where even the PAKFA is built, just check the Russian channel 24 or channel 1 youtube channels



 
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b787

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Brumby said:
Your statement is so flawed and a gross misrepresentation that it warrants a response.

So let's deal with each specific issue in their proper context :
(i) that the F-35 performed poorly in a dog fight against a F-16.
This issue had been so completely debunked due to misrepresentation that I am amazed that you are raising it.

In contrast, at least put some weight on someone who kniows what they are talking about. For example :
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(ii) F-16, thrust vectoring and supercruise
Sorry, firstly there is no relationship in your statement as the attributes mentioned are not resident in the F-16. Secondly, while TVC and supercruise have their merits, they also bring equally downside issues to the equation, e.g.higher IR footprint.
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let us leave it here it is not a F-35 thread
 
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No F-35 topic go on a Air-to-Air combat topic :)


Jura said:
... found something related today:

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According it and as you know right now for internal armament, AAM number, F-22 is more armed as the T-50/J-20 with 8 AAM : 6 LR and 2 SR vs 6 : 4 LR and 2 SR.
Initialy F-22 with first AIM-120A/B also was armed with 6 AAM, 8 possible thanks to new AIM-120C " compressed " wings more small.

Chinese and Russians fighters can get this number of 8 if can do new compressed variants for R-37 and PL-12 seems possible 3 PL-12 can fit in a internal weapons bay,

However with the small wings size of R-37 very possible 3 fit in a weapons bay in fact new fighter first infos and we discover.

Body/Wingspan diameter : AIM-120A/B ; 18/53 AIM-120C/D ; 18/45, R-37 20/35 cm ; PL-12 20/67

Seems very difficult/impossible do more small wings for R-37 then if 2 by weapons by is the right number the T-50 may be armed internaly with 6 AAM max.

And it would take much reduce the size of the wings of the PL-12 possible ??

With external hard points F-22 : max 16 AAM, T-50 : 12 and J-20 10 with minimum 4 HP ext.

But possible T-50 can be armed with a better A2G armament, 4 arms what size 500 kg or 1 t max ? close F-35A/C for A2G weapons load 1.8 t.
 
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cyan1320 said:
Turbulence Ahead for the Russia-India Stealth Fighter
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It is not engine question only budget 12 combat fighters operationnals for 2020, a Sqn, a delay of approximately 3/4 years for a more big number initialy planned about 50 test or not but they get yet new very capable 4.5 gen fighters bombers no Stealth ofc.
 
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b787, you should admit that you are biased like all of us are. Just because you turned out to be right on a couple of issues does not mean you are not biased.

For the issue of T-50-5, most of us were questioning the wisdom of restoring this aircraft and thought it didn't make sense to do so It's hard to say where this program would be if they didn't take the time to restore T-50-5 and just continued with T-50-6. We do know it took over a year to get it restored to flying condition again. During that, I think it looks to have fallen behind J-20 project. Do you think it actually helped PAK-FA program to spend this much time on one damaged aircraft just so that they can make good on their word?
 
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