which is further evidence that we are finally getting there with the J-20, they don't plumb equipment they don't intend to use.
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which is further evidence that we are finally getting there with the J-20, they don't plumb equipment they don't intend to use.
asif iqbal
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Just imagine this, in the coming years PLAAF deploys it's first 5th generation operational fighter squadron equipped with 24 x J20 fighters supported by Y-20 aerial refuelling tankers on the East Coast of China
That would send alarm bells ringing everywhere
Good move for PLAAF J20 is moving at a good pace
That would send alarm bells ringing everywhere
Good move for PLAAF J20 is moving at a good pace
ladioussupp
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Ladies and Gentlemen,
Here comes 2015...
Here comes 2015...
Ladies and Gentlemen,
Here comes 2015...
I believe that the first batch might enter service in 2015.
wtlh
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What is the possibility of parallel development, to speed up the process?
In other words, the 2013 and supposedly 2015 (if not PSed), and also presumably 2014 (if it exists) are all test prototypes built to test different aspects or variables of the plane/sub-components?
They could have analysed the testing programme and highlighted areas that are not strongly correlated and can be tested in parallel, and then devised a test plan to cram as many tests in parallel as possible to speed up the testing process.
Initial service in 2015 IMHO is too optimistic. I think 2018 is still more likely. Not only the hardware, the software will also be of monstrous complexity, and of course these are being developed and tested off-site at the moment no doubt, but at some point everything has to be linked together, the airframe, sensors, software etc, and not to mention the weapons systems. Extensive tests on all of these systems working at the same time will have to be done.
At this work rate, may be initial batch production in 2018 can become a reality (regardless engine development).
We will know that we are expecting to see production planes going into service soon when we start seeing photos of them doing live missile firing tests using the internal weapons bay.
In other words, the 2013 and supposedly 2015 (if not PSed), and also presumably 2014 (if it exists) are all test prototypes built to test different aspects or variables of the plane/sub-components?
They could have analysed the testing programme and highlighted areas that are not strongly correlated and can be tested in parallel, and then devised a test plan to cram as many tests in parallel as possible to speed up the testing process.
Initial service in 2015 IMHO is too optimistic. I think 2018 is still more likely. Not only the hardware, the software will also be of monstrous complexity, and of course these are being developed and tested off-site at the moment no doubt, but at some point everything has to be linked together, the airframe, sensors, software etc, and not to mention the weapons systems. Extensive tests on all of these systems working at the same time will have to be done.
At this work rate, may be initial batch production in 2018 can become a reality (regardless engine development).
We will know that we are expecting to see production planes going into service soon when we start seeing photos of them doing live missile firing tests using the internal weapons bay.
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Whut??? hes right???,,, no 2014?
So the superstitious thing is true...
wtlh
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About numbers superstition. I will be very surprised that they actually get influenced by it and drop "2014". Note that CCP still officially regard "superstition" as something negative---they are still very much atheist, and CCP members are officially banned from any of such practices in terms of party discipline.
Much of the number superstition is non-sense anyway, and as PLAWolf has said much of the current superstition with "4" and "8" came after 90s, when Hong Kong culture hit the mainland and became cool. I personally experienced the growing popularity of number 8 the first hand. 8 used to mean really NOTHING when I was a young child.
Numbers 6 and 9 always had significance in history due to Zhou Yi. 6 represented Yin and 9 represented Yang. "5" is signifiant in that there are 5 elements, 5 colours and 5 directions etc in (Chinese) classical philosophy. "3" represented the three entities of Heaven, Man and Earth. Okay, you have 8 basic Gua in Zhou Yi (and 64 combined), but number 8 in itself has no significance at all. If you read Chinese classical texts, no where does number 8 gets assigned any significance. The emperor and imperial power is always represented by "9"---being both "Yang", aka Heaven, and the highest possible number (mod 10 (fingers)): 九鼎---the Nine Caldrons, symbolising the divine authority of the Son of Heaven; 九洲---the Nine Regions, symbolising all land underneath heaven; etc. But all numbers even significant represent just abstract ideas, and there are NO subjective "good" or "bad" attached to them.
The current association of luck with the numbers such as 4 and 8 based on phonetics has no classical roots, and is more of a Chinese pop (or can be regarded as "peasant") culture.
Much of the number superstition is non-sense anyway, and as PLAWolf has said much of the current superstition with "4" and "8" came after 90s, when Hong Kong culture hit the mainland and became cool. I personally experienced the growing popularity of number 8 the first hand. 8 used to mean really NOTHING when I was a young child.
Numbers 6 and 9 always had significance in history due to Zhou Yi. 6 represented Yin and 9 represented Yang. "5" is signifiant in that there are 5 elements, 5 colours and 5 directions etc in (Chinese) classical philosophy. "3" represented the three entities of Heaven, Man and Earth. Okay, you have 8 basic Gua in Zhou Yi (and 64 combined), but number 8 in itself has no significance at all. If you read Chinese classical texts, no where does number 8 gets assigned any significance. The emperor and imperial power is always represented by "9"---being both "Yang", aka Heaven, and the highest possible number (mod 10 (fingers)): 九鼎---the Nine Caldrons, symbolising the divine authority of the Son of Heaven; 九洲---the Nine Regions, symbolising all land underneath heaven; etc. But all numbers even significant represent just abstract ideas, and there are NO subjective "good" or "bad" attached to them.
The current association of luck with the numbers such as 4 and 8 based on phonetics has no classical roots, and is more of a Chinese pop (or can be regarded as "peasant") culture.
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