Hong Kong....Occupy Central Demonstrations....

[xiabonan]

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Oh come on, you know that's not how it will go.

The west is already blaming China for all sorts of stuff that has nothing to do China, ISIS and Ebola being just the latest examples.

If HK falls flat on its face because China let them have democracy, there is not way in hell the western media is going to allow the blame to be laid at the feet of their hallowed democracy, so that leaves China to take the blame. As usual.

I know fully well.

I guess that's actually Beijing's biggest concern, in fact.

 

[plawolf]

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no, the reason has to do with mainland investments. otherwise, it doesn't explain from 2003 to 2014 it went from 1million to 5 million. everyone in Hk knows this, and it's happening in Vancouver, where I live too

But as you say, its not just happening in HK, but all over the world. Canada's democracy hasn't really safeguarded their property prices from Chinese money has it?

And believe, as bad as rising property prices are, falling home values are far far worse.

The best, and only effective solution to the affordable housing shortfall is to build lots of new, low end homes and cap their prices. That's not something democracy or free markets will ever do. In fact, the only government with the means and the competence to pull something like that off is the very one you are protesting against.

 

[xiabonan]

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thanks for your truthfulness. we don't hate people like you. we appreciate and respect and commend you for emphasizing what we are going through. for me example, I don't even know where to buy my own place, and some new couples in Hk either got no affordable properties, and sometimes can't even make enough for hosting their own marriage. this is why I feel so much pain for my folks. our generation has nothing left to lose

It's not just the people of HK.

The entire generation of young Chinese are suffering because of high property prices.

Anger and frustration is brewing in mainland China as well. It's just that the Beijing government recognises this and constantly tries to cool the property market down and squeeze out speculative demand. As of right now, it seems to be working, finally.

Mainland has many many social and economic problems, but due to the very fact that the central government recognises that if they don't solve them or at least try, they're going to be in big trouble, and least they're bothered to try and thus people have hope. And in fact things are getting better.

Another thing is China's size and diversity makes it far more resilient to issues as well. If houses in Beijing or Shanghai are too expensive, people can find cities that have relatively affordable housing. Or they can go back to their hometown. With the help from parents, it is most likely they can at least pay the downpayment for an apartment in their hometown.

Unfortunately, HK doesn't have a government that recognises the urgency (seriously though the CCP probably couldn't care less what the HK people think of them), nor does it have the kind of economical resilience to problems such as expensive housing.

 

[airsuperiority]

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My bottom line is that as long as HK people consider themselves as Chinese, I'm fine with anything.

There are people, you know. I don't want to say those stuff here but I think you know better than I am.

Hate Beijing government or the CCP all you want--it's not really like Hong Kong's fight will destablise the entire China.

But as long as the Hong Kong people still recognise themselves as Chinese, and do not hold strong discriminatory views or acts against mainland people, I'm really fine with it, personally.

here'sthe thing you guys gotta understand about Hk people. we hate those who are rude, takes a dump in the middle of the mall, abuses our social safety nets, cuts in line, comes to Hk for birth only, screams at us when we tell them it's wrong, shoves into us, always cursing hk, disrespects us and our laws and society and system, takes our compassion and generosity for granted.. basically those undesirables. these people make being associated as Chinese undesirable, but deep inside we always knew our roots, otherwise we wont call ourselves Chinese or cheer for Beijing Olympics or donated the most during Sichuan. it's just now we are so angry we will say things like these. however right now is the time we need your true brother support. when we see ppl who climbed the firewall and put a supportive comment written in simplified, we are very touched. and if you don't do those undesirable things and let Hkers speaktheir minds and listen and acknowledge their frustration and how we feel without throwing judgment without actually understanding, we will actually endorse you guys

 

[airsuperiority]

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after all, why do we want to hate you guys anyways?

 

[Jura The idiot]

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live stream. see it for yourself

[video=youtube;w4q8fs8gTIs]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w4q8fs8gTIs&list=PLQcmGU2t4gsp4RMgrqnMiaJq24FJyWGhz&index=1[/video]

thanks! though now it crashed after like half of a minute, twice, maybe that's why I didn't see any Police around (?) anyway, be careful, airsuperiority: no SDF access from a jail!

 

[xiabonan]

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But as you say, its not just happening in HK, but all over the world. Canada's democracy hasn't really safeguarded their property prices from Chinese money has it?

And believe, as bad as rising property prices are, falling home values are far far worse.

The best, and only effective solution to the affordable housing shortfall is to build lots of new, low end homes and cap their prices. That's not something democracy or free markets will ever do. In fact, the only government with the means and the competence to pull something like that off is the very one you are protesting against.

I'm fairly confident the Beijing government will do that in mainland China, eventually reaching the goal of providing affordable housing to majority Chinese people.

It has both the ability and will to do it, because if they don't, one day when the Chinese people start a protest, it's probably the largest protest mankind has ever seen. This problem threatens the CCP's legitimacy that's why they'll do it in the mainland.

But HK, that's another story altogether.

 

[airsuperiority]

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[PanAsian]

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You don't understand so I won't blame you, and no, Hong Kong's growth to what it is today had nothing to do with China until 1997, which by then HK is a world class city.

Wow, you are 100% wrong with that statement. Hong Kong's development and prosperity throughout its existence is all due to the city being a gateway to trading with China. And Hong Kong was and is only a world class city for business and wealth, not for culture or philosophy, not for science or technology, and apparently not for education or awareness about itself.

 

[PanAsian]

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It's not just HK, or Vancouver....

Even in Singapore, locals blame us for pushing up prices and "stealing" jobs.

That's inevitable, when 1.3 billion people get rich, and richer, and richer, this is what happens on a global scale.

Wherever you go, you will see my fellow countrymen buying up properties, luxuries, cars, even private jets.

I'm not particularly proud of this kind of behaviour, but it their money so I guess I've got nothing to say.

The rest of the world will just have to deal with it, or find a way to make use of it to improve their own economies.

What??? You should definitely be proud of the behavior you listed and not coddle others' jealousy and prejudice. Why should any rich person not do the things you listed? They are all legitimate investments or personal purchases.