Blackstone
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China's growing air power
J11B, J16 and J31 when compared
Note how small the J31 is
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China Flanker Thread II
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joshuatree
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Which would make it more suitable for carrier ops.
Re: Shenyang J-31 Fighter
I think the problem is that some outlets can produce good and bad content, and that depends on the writers they hire.
Sometimes janes gets it right but this time they it it wrong.
I think the problem is that some outlets can produce good and bad content, and that depends on the writers they hire.
Sometimes janes gets it right but this time they it it wrong.
Re: Shenyang J-31 Fighter
You can go into huitong's page where he lists all the IDed Fighters of PLA and check engines of all the J-11B/BS. Or you can simply go back through the flanker thread over the last two years and see what new build J-11B/BS and J-16 are using Al-31. Answer is none
Well that obviously differs for engine to engine. More mature engines are more reliable, built with more consistent quality, more dependable, while newer engines naturally are not.
Btw I wasn't talking about engine sophistication but engine industry sophistication
Black stone, you are not new to PLA watching, you know as well as we all do that such "sources" are far and few between. But just because there are no official publications from the Chinese side doesn't mean anything that other sources say are accurate just because they have a website and a subscription service.
Kanwa, warisboring, strategy page, and yes occasionally Janes, are rife with inaccurate assessments of PLA development, often done by poor research or simply clouded by their own writer's bias.
Places like SDF on the other hand, are aggregates for "grey" sources, but have shown time and again to often present new information days or weeks before "reliable" defence outlets, and usually have greater understanding of the PLA holistically as well. Sometimes one of our own may have a voice: tphuang wrote a few posts for USNI website and skywatcher has a dedicated blog on popular science, and some western commentators like bill sweetman and rick fisher and Andrew Erickson are more reliable than their peers too, but there are also masses of "journalists" who know jack all about the PLA yet still have a voice from a "credible" outlet.
You can go into huitong's page where he lists all the IDed Fighters of PLA and check engines of all the J-11B/BS. Or you can simply go back through the flanker thread over the last two years and see what new build J-11B/BS and J-16 are using Al-31. Answer is none
Well that obviously differs for engine to engine. More mature engines are more reliable, built with more consistent quality, more dependable, while newer engines naturally are not.
Btw I wasn't talking about engine sophistication but engine industry sophistication
Black stone, you are not new to PLA watching, you know as well as we all do that such "sources" are far and few between. But just because there are no official publications from the Chinese side doesn't mean anything that other sources say are accurate just because they have a website and a subscription service.
Kanwa, warisboring, strategy page, and yes occasionally Janes, are rife with inaccurate assessments of PLA development, often done by poor research or simply clouded by their own writer's bias.
Places like SDF on the other hand, are aggregates for "grey" sources, but have shown time and again to often present new information days or weeks before "reliable" defence outlets, and usually have greater understanding of the PLA holistically as well. Sometimes one of our own may have a voice: tphuang wrote a few posts for USNI website and skywatcher has a dedicated blog on popular science, and some western commentators like bill sweetman and rick fisher and Andrew Erickson are more reliable than their peers too, but there are also masses of "journalists" who know jack all about the PLA yet still have a voice from a "credible" outlet.
plawolf
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Re: Shenyang J-31 Fighter
That really depends on what they are reporting on.
Janes is top class when it comes to reporting on western defense developments because it has good relations with the top players and have long established contacts and trusted sources.
That is not so when it comes to their reporting on Chinese affairs because Janes doesn't have any special relationship with top Chinese firms, so their information comes mainly from western sources.
Not only does that make their information second or even third hand at best, it also means whatever information they get are viewed through the prism of western establishment hostility, snobbery and now increasely, unease, righteous indignation and denial.
To look at western specialist media reporting on every major Chinese development in the last decade or so produces an amusingly consistent pattern that is surprisingly similar to the 7 stages of grief.
To follow western reporting on Chinese development (not just military) is to subject yourself to that same roller coaster ride.
Why put yourself through that time and again and it has been show time and again that we have one of the best publically available sources to give a far more accurate assessment of what China's capabilities are and they developments they are making?
That really depends on what they are reporting on.
Janes is top class when it comes to reporting on western defense developments because it has good relations with the top players and have long established contacts and trusted sources.
That is not so when it comes to their reporting on Chinese affairs because Janes doesn't have any special relationship with top Chinese firms, so their information comes mainly from western sources.
Not only does that make their information second or even third hand at best, it also means whatever information they get are viewed through the prism of western establishment hostility, snobbery and now increasely, unease, righteous indignation and denial.
To look at western specialist media reporting on every major Chinese development in the last decade or so produces an amusingly consistent pattern that is surprisingly similar to the 7 stages of grief.
To follow western reporting on Chinese development (not just military) is to subject yourself to that same roller coaster ride.
Why put yourself through that time and again and it has been show time and again that we have one of the best publically available sources to give a far more accurate assessment of what China's capabilities are and they developments they are making?
There is no J-16in this image !
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Re: Shenyang J-31 Fighter
A few years ago very few J11B, J11BS, J11BH were there and TH powered fighters are only a minority.
Today, almost all the new pictures of J11&J16 were shown using TH engines.
Believe what you believe. I only believe my eyes.
Anyway sorry for OT let's get back.
A few years ago very few J11B, J11BS, J11BH were there and TH powered fighters are only a minority.
Today, almost all the new pictures of J11&J16 were shown using TH engines.
Believe what you believe. I only believe my eyes.
Anyway sorry for OT let's get back.
Re: Shenyang J-31 Fighter
Sorry to correct You (simply to be a stronger argument against "blackstone's" critics!), but to be precisely: NONE !
It's really that simple, but since years there has been not a single newly build J-11B, J-11BH, J-11BS, J-11BSH and most of all J-16 without the WS-10A Taihang !
Deino
Sorry to correct You (simply to be a stronger argument against "blackstone's" critics!), but to be precisely: NONE !
It's really that simple, but since years there has been not a single newly build J-11B, J-11BH, J-11BS, J-11BSH and most of all J-16 without the WS-10A Taihang !
Deino
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asif iqbal
Banned Idiot
Thanks for clarification good job
Btw have you got some software that allows you to read blurred serials?
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