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Wow...what treat. On January 1st we got a look at an entire combined PLAN task force of their CV and LPD operating together.

Now, in the same week, we get pics of a combined task force of two Indian carriers operating together.

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Lots of eye candy for any naval enthusiast. Two nations standing up as very significant maritime powers and strutting their stuff. Love to see it.

... and there's yet another two-carriers group in the Indian Ocean right now, but it seems to be just a coincidence :)
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Apong

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The under construction INS Vikrant project was previously code named Air Defense Ship, long range fleet defense is to depend on carrier borne air crafts not on anti aircraft SAM Barak 8 would be basically to defeat incoming threats upto supersonic CM.
 

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The under construction INS Vikrant project was previously code named Air Defense Ship, long range fleet defense is to depend on carrier borne air crafts not on anti aircraft SAM Barak 8 would be basically to defeat incoming threats upto supersonic CM.
Air borne aircraft are not nearly as effective against anti-ship missiles for a couple of reasons:

1) They have to be in the right place. Attacks can come in from 360 degrees and if they are out on the wrong threat axis, they will not be able to respond.
2) Air launched air to air missiles are not as effective in intercepting anti-shipping missiles.

The best defense are SR, MR, and LR anti-missile missiles, established in a multi-layer, umbrella around the critical vessels, ie. the carriers. All of the ant-shipping missiles, from whatever threat axis, will ultimately be converging on the capitol vessels.

The Vikrant itself is meant to employ a 32 cell VLS system for Barak-8 missiles for this reason. With the Kolkatas, the newer FFGs and the carriers themselves, the Indians will establish such an umbrella out to 70km. My bet is, like the standard missile, they hope to upgrade the Barak-8 to an ER version at some point in the future.

They really need, as Bltizo said, a LR capability out to 120-200kim.
 

Franklin

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First moving video of INS Vikramaditya and INS Viraat sailing together. Shows Sea Harriers landing and taking off from Vikramaditya's deck. If video won't play click link.

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Apong

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@Jeff what I mean is if the fleet is having an incoming attack is is suppose to retaliate with an offensive posture,
as in firing a SAM to an aircraft is an offensive posture which is attacking the intruder, while intercepting an incoming anti ship missile is a defensive one.
 

TerraN_EmpirE

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Rules of engagement for US forces are fire if fired upon. If a aircraft fires a missile at a US carrier group the likely reaction would be destroy the threat. That does not just mean the missile but the launch platform as well. That is not considered offensive its aggressive defense. Basicly if someone starts the Fight the USN aims to end it.
 

chuck731

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Jeff, I'm sorry to say that, but I liked most that last sentence (in parentheses) ... on one hand I was impressed by the picture, but on the other ... Sum of All Fears ... I know it's highly unlikely but almost half of the US Navy could have been nuked if the WW3 had started at that time.



Considering the US is not devoid of nuclear global reach without its Navy, I seriously doubt any country would do better in the long run by nuking the US fleet on American soil with its opening shot that by fighting the US fleet conventionally and the letting the outcome be what it might.

One might say Japan would have done much better (still would have lost in the end, but there are many different degrees of lossing) by fighting the US pacific fleet in a fleet action shortly after opening of hostility, as envisioned by both sides for 20 years prior, then by trying to copenhagen the US fleet.
 

chuck731

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One interesting question regarding nuclear powered warships and war I've not seen addressed is if a nuclear powered ship is severely blown up and its reactor vessel ruptured, say by a near by detonation of a tactical nuclear weapon, just how much additional contribution would the content of the reactor make to the radioactive contemination resulting from the nuclear weapon?

I understand if a typical commerical nuclear power station gets blown up by a tactical nuclear weapon, the contribution of the nuclear material in the reactor would enormously outweigh the contribution from the bomb itself.
 

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GULF OF OMAN (Jan. 2, 2014) The guided-missile destroyer USS Bulkeley (DDG 84), front, is underway alongside the French aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle (R 91). Bulkeley, part of the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group, is conducting operations with ships assigned to French Task Force 473 to enhance levels of cooperation and interoperability, enhance mutual maritime capabilities and promote long-term regional stability in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photos by French Chief Petty Officer Francois Marcel/Released)

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GULF OF OMAN (Jan. 2, 2014) The French NAVY aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle (R 91) launches a Rafale marine jet as the guided-missile destroyer USS Bulkeley (DDG 84) is underway in the background. Charles de Gaulle, flagship for Task Force 473, is conducting operations with the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group.(U.S. Navy photo courtesy of the French navy by Chief Petty Officer Frederic Duplouich/Released)
 
Considering the US is not devoid of nuclear global reach without its Navy, I seriously doubt any country would do better in the long run by nuking the US fleet on American soil with its opening shot that by fighting the US fleet conventionally and the letting the outcome be what it might.

One might say Japan would have done much better (still would have lost in the end, but there are many different degrees of lossing) by fighting the US pacific fleet in a fleet action shortly after opening of hostility, as envisioned by both sides for 20 years prior, then by trying to copenhagen the US fleet.

chuck731, please explain "to copenhagen the US fleet"; were you referring to
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