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chuck731

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chuck731, please explain "to copenhagen the US fleet"; were you referring to
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No, Copenhagen also refers to an earlier Battle of Copenhagen in 1801, when a British fleet under Admirals Parker and Nelson attacked and severely damaged the unprepared Danish fleet at anchor in Copenhagen without declaring war in order to prevent the Danish fleet from joining a league of Baltic naval powers attempting to pool their resources to protect their trades with France from British naval interference. After that event the practice of attacking the enemy fleet in port, not necessarily unprovokedly, but before formal onset of hostility, became commonly known as "to copenhagen".

The second battle of Copenhagen in 1807 was an altogether more odious event when the British launched a lengthy and massive bombardment of the city of Copenhagen using artillery as well as incendiary rockets, also without declaration of war, causing huge civilian casualties, to induce the Danes to give up what remains of their fleet. The practice of seizing the defeated power's fleet also became known as to Copenhagen. The British at the time claimed to hold the fleet only in safe keeping to prevent it from falling into the hands of French, and promised to return it to the Danes when the danger has passed, which of course they never did.

Pearl Harbor was certainly the most spectacular instance of the first kind of copenhagening since the Napoleonic wars. The US fleet copenhagened what there is of the Iranian Navy in 1988, The Japanese also tried to copenhagen the Russian fleet before the onset of Russo-Japanese war. A main strategic concern for the German Navy before WWI, now seem paranoid, was the possibility that the Royal Navy would suddenly copenhagen the High Sea fleet in time of peace.

The treaty of Versaille, which sought to enable the victorious allied power to seize and divide up the German High Sea fleet, is probably the most spectacular instance of the second kind of Copenhagening.
 
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No, Copenhagen also refers to an earlier Battle of Copenhagen in 1801, ...

chuck731, this was a test, and you passed ;-)

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I was aware of this, however, my interest in naval history starts with the 1906 Dreadnought :)
 
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navyreco

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And 3 Carriers together:
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GULF OF OMAN (Jan. 3, 2014) The French navy aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle, flagship for Task Force 473, is underway with the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) and the Italian navy aircraft carrier ITS Cavour (CVH 550). Harry S. Truman, flagship for the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group, is conducting operations with Task Force 473 to enhance levels of cooperation and interoperability, enhance mutual maritime capabilities and promote long-term regional stability in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Taylor M. DiMartino/Released)
 

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GULF OF OMAN (Jan. 3, 2014) The Italian navy aircraft carrier ITS Cavour (CVH 550), front, the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) and the French navy aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle (R 91), conduct operations in the Gulf of Oman. Harry S. Truman, flagship for the Harry S. Truman Carrier Strike Group, is conducting operations with Task Force 473 to enhance levels of cooperation and interoperability, enhance mutual maritime capabilities and promote long-term regional stability in the U.S. 5th Fleet area of responsibility. (U.S. Navy photo by Mass Communication Specialist 3rd Class Ethan M. Schumacher/Released)
 

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The Italian navy aircraft carrier ITS Cavour (CVH 550), front, the aircraft carrier USS Harry S. Truman (CVN 75) and the French navy aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulle (R 91), conduct operations in the Gulf of Oman.
The Cavour looks a lot like what the INS Vikrant will look like, just a bit smaller.

The Vikrant will be a 40,000 ton carrier, the Cavour is 30,000 ton full load.

I'd can't wait to see pics of all three of those carriers with their escort groups manuevering in formation. I know they will take (and hopefully publish) such pictures.
 
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Jeff Head

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Task Force 473 comes together regularly to conduct these exercises. I know they will publish pictures of the overall group of three carriers and their escorts at some point and it will be awesome.

Here's what it looked like in 2007 when the USS John Stennis and the French Charles de Gaulle got together.


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The John Stennis has two Ticonderoga CGs and two Arleigh Burke DDGs with it, along with a replenishment vessel. Looks like the Charles de Gaulle has three escorts and a replenishment vessel there. These are great exercises and the US holds them regularly with other nations...sort of like an IO RIMPAC almost.

For this year's exercises, with the three carriers, add the Cavour to that and another three to four escorts.
 
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Jeff Head

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...or the US can just do it on its own, as the US Navy also does on occassion. Below is from Exercise Valiant Shield in 2006 in the Philippine Sea...with some Jiont Ops with the US Air Froce as well.


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That's three Ticonderoga class CGs, six Arliegh Burke Class DDGs, and an AOR.

That would be 900 VLS cells protecting the three carriers, 384 on the Ticos, 576 on the Burkes. Not to mention the 192 ESSM and 126 RAMs the three carriers carry themselves.

Standard anti-air loadouts on the CGs and DDGs, when taking out the cruise missiles, would mean that the three carrier task force probably has something on the order of the following:

624 ESSMs
612 SMs
126 RAMs

That's 1,362 ready to launch missiles.

Just can't get enpough of this stuff...hehehe.
 
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Air Force Brat

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Task Force 473 comes together regularly to conduct these exercises. I know they will publish pictures of the overall group of three carriers and their escorts at some point and it will be awesome.

Here's what it looked like in 2007 when the USS John Stennis and the French Charles de Gaulle got together.

The John Stennis has two Ticonderoga CGs and two Arleigh Burke DDGs with it, along with a replenishment vessel. Looks like the Charles de Gaulle has three escorts and a replenishment vessel there. These are great exercises and the US holds them regularly with other nations...sort of like an IO RIMPAC almost.

For this year's exercises, with the three carriers, add the Cavour to that and another three to four escorts.

My cousin Mike who is a Navy Chaplain was on the Stennis, I think he had a tour or two in Fallujah, and has recently been in Afghanistan...
 
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