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[Blitzo]

Hmmm so if I'm reading this right:

Configuration 1: 30 aircraft total
24 Migs total, 13 Migs in hangar, 11 on deck
6 helicopters total, 6 in hangar

Configuration 2: 34 aircraft total
21 Migs total, 10 in hangar, 11 on deck
13 helicopters total, 13 in hangar


I assume these configurations are maximum, and are accounting for the cycle of in hangar maintenance, and under typical sortie rates, because obviously you can't permanently have the same 11 aircraft strapped to the deck while the others are all cosy inside, and of course some aircraft will always be in the air too.

All in all, it's a nice pocket carrier for the IN. Along with vikrant when it enters service, they will have a nice two ship carrier force that's capable enough for its needs.


It'll be interesting to see the PLAN release similar stats for the Liaoning (one day, hopefully)

 

[MwRYum]

It'll be interesting to see the PLAN release similar stats for the Liaoning (one day, hopefully)

Most likely only after it venture beyond that duck pond and make visits to other coastal cities along the Chinese coasts, if it'd do that in the first place. In the foreseeable future however, that remains an elusive fantasy.

 

[thunderchief]

INS Vikramaditya was spied upon by NATO aircraft and ship last year but the matter was hushed up


INS Vikramaditya, India's largest aircraft carrier, is safely in the Indian Navy's hands now, and will begin its journey home shortly. But just a year ago, there was an incident that created a major stir on board the massive ship as it was put through trials at sea off the Russian coast.

INS Vikramaditya was spied upon by NATO forces.

Headlines Today Deputy Editor Shiv Aroor, the first Indian journalist on board the aircraft carrier, has accessed exclusive images of that disturbing incident that was even taken up at the diplomatic level.

The images show a NATO maritime spy aircraft repeatedly buzzing.

Over INS Vikramaditya in an attempt to snoop on her communications and combat signatures. Never before revealed, these images captured from the deck of the ship show how the US-built P-3C Orion "buzzed" the ship just a few hundred feet over her deck and circled her in an attempt to harvest classified electronic and acoustic data about the vessel.

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[Skywatcher]

Well I'm sure you will agree that there is a difference between sturdy and dated.

The only thing remotely modern looking on the bridge of the Vikra are the two PC monitors, which do not look either military grade or particularly robustly mounted.

The integrated stuff are all analog gauges with some consuls and panels that looks like they might be running on vacuum tubes. Maybe they were deliberately going for a vintage chic look, but I stand by my point that the bridge looks very dated in terms of the actual equipment, controls and displays, and I think both the Indians and Russians could have done a lot better.

Anyways, it was a minor point and I think I have made it well enough and each person is free to make up their own minds. I do not want to go on and on about it to rain on the Indian navy's parade.

Congrats to them, its a big day and a big step for them.

The Russians took the Indians for a ride?

 

[FORBIN]

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[asif iqbal]

Credit where it's due India have a carrier and have now got what they have been dreaming for years

This went on for too long and cost India money so it's about they get what they paid for

It's a carrier for the Indian navy its modern and carrys fighter jets so Indian navy has good capability so congrats to them

I hope they use it intelligently and responsibly and all should be good

So how long for the weapons fitting and integration of systems before its actually a battle read warship?

 

[Jeff Head]

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This is being reported today widely as if though it is something unheard of or a big deal.

It is not.

The Norwegian Navy keeps close tabs on the movements and operations of the Russian northern fleet for NATO (and themselves) all the time. They have a number of assetrs to do this, including very quiet SSK submarines, P-3C Maritime patrol aircraft, and a purpose built ELINT vessel, the Marjata. BTW, the Marjata was present during the Russian Kirsk loss a few years ago. It was there because of the large nature of the exercise and their involvement with the Kirsk and the new experimental torpedoes she was going to be testing. The Norwegian Marjata was the vessel that got the readings on the innitial explosion and then the second, much larger explosion as the vessel began to sink.

The aircraft involved was a P-3C Norwegian maritime patrol aircraft. Here are two of the pictures of this aircraft as it operated near the Vikramaditya while she was in trials last year:

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And here are two photos of other Norwegian P-3C aircraft photoed in maritime operations elsewhere:

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I have absolutely no doubt that this P-3C was operating in coordination with the Norwegian ELINT vessel Marjata. The aircraft was recording whatever it could, and dropped those two bouys to get more...and came in close to try and get more sensors turned on by the Vikramaditya or the monitoring Ruissian vessel, so the Marjata could pick those up and record them too.

Here's the pictures of the Marjata during this incident near the Vikramaditya.

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Now here are two pictures of the Marjata in Norwegian service elsewher. Notice in the second picture the wide beam of this vessel.

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These are not unusuall or unheard of practices between maritime nations. It is pretty much business as usual, and the same type of thing that the Japanese Maritime Self Defense Force did with its own P-3 aircraft and the Takanami DDG last month to the Chinese task force that was exercising in the Pacific.

for posterity's sake, here's also one of the few images we have of the liaoning's bridge that suggests the kind of configuration and level of technology it yields

As I stated in my earlier post regarding this, your picture here shows a console that is behind the front glass on the bridge. When you see the front glass on the bridge of the Liaoning, you see something very similar to what we see on the Vikramaditya.

You can see the front side of the console you pictured above, back behind the officer there at the glass, with another PLAN personnel standing behind it.

In the picture being posted all over of the Vikramadity, we do not see the newer consoles that undoubtedly lie behind the area towards the very front of the brige on the Vikramaditya.

I believe that there are other consoles to the right in this picture which we cannot see, where they actually drive the ship, like those shown on the Chinese and American carriers, which are more modern too.

 

[thunderchief]

This is being reported today widely as if though it is something unheard of or a big deal.

It is not unheard or big deal , but it is too crude , rude , blatant and obvious . Lacking style I would say

 

[Blitzo]

As I stated in my earlier post regarding this, your picture here shows a console that is behind the front glass on the bridge. When you see the front glass on the bridge of the Liaoning, you see something very similar to what we see on the Vikramaditya.

You can see the front side of the console you pictured above, back behind the officer there at the glass, with another PLAN personnel standing behind it.

In the picture being posted all over of the Vikramadity, we do not see the newer consoles that undoubtedly lie behind the area towards the very front of the brige on the Vikramaditya.

I believe that there are other consoles to the right in this picture which we cannot see, where they actually drive the ship, like those shown on the Chinese and American carriers, which are more modern too.

I hate to be nitpicky Jeff, but I have to disagree with you somewhat.

The Liaoning's forward bridge picture that you show has no instrumentation or any control panels. It looks like an empty multirole work/observation space, so it's not exactly equal to the Vikram picture, which clearly shows a lot of instrumentation and gauges. Now that alone doesn't make the bridge look tacky (even if it does make it look somewhat cold war vintage), however add on the awkwardly bolted on PC monitors at what is clearly meant to be a sort of basic workstation (navigation?) and it simply looks like the finish to the bridge is lacking.

On Liaoning or Nimitz class bridge OTOH, all the workstations look typically integrated and clean cut like what you'd expect on a recent build ship.

I'd be happy to be proven wrong once we get more revealing pictures of Vikram's bridge though, and it may just be the angle is less than flattering.

 

[Jeff Head]

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