Shanghai Cooperation Organisation (SCO) and Global South strategic cooperation

[Michael90]

Vietnam is taking more leaves from the Chinese book. CPV continues to be a diligent student of CPC.

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Reason I said Vietnamese leaders are better students of Chinas success than North Korea who seem to have learned basically nothing . The results are clear for all to see. Vietnam is growing much faster (fastest in ASEAN. actually) and improving at a much faster rate despite coming from a far poorer/backward situation than puongyang. Will be interesting to see how Vietnam develops this coming decade, at the rate they are moving , they will soon be one of the most developed countries in South east Asia in a decade or two.
well done to VCP . Always better to learn from a successful friend/neighbor or even rival .

 

[manqiangrexue]

Reason I said Vietnamese leaders are better students of Chinas success than North Korea who seem to have learned basically nothing .

Problem is, China wasn't teaching. China was doing what's right for us with what we uniquely have. Vietnam does not have the same. When a guppy tries to copy a shark's homework, the result is no good at all, could be quite dangerous as well.

The results are clear for all to see. Vietnam is growing much faster (fastest in ASEAN. actually) and improving at a much faster rate despite coming from a far poorer/backward situation than puongyang. Will be interesting to see how Vietnam develops this coming decade, at the rate they are moving , they will soon be one of the most developed countries in South east Asia in a decade or two.
well done to VCP . Always better to learn from a successful friend/neighbor or even rival .

Absolutely. Vietnam at knee height the instant Trump threatens tariffs while North Korea laughs and points to its nukes, even offering one to Iran. Donnie says he gets along with Kim very very well; Kim just ignores him.

Also, what is the name of the Vietnamese president? I don't know; do you? Donnie doesn't know. What's the name of the South Korean president? Starts with... Lee something? I'm not sure but I am sure he's going to jail after his term cus that's their custom over there.

Who is the leader of North Korea? Ask you, me, Trump, anyone, my Mexican gardner and they will all tell you:
"KIM. JONG. UN"

 

[FriedRiceNSpice]

Reason I said Vietnamese leaders are better students of Chinas success than North Korea who seem to have learned basically nothing . The results are clear for all to see. Vietnam is growing much faster (fastest in ASEAN. actually) and improving at a much faster rate despite coming from a far poorer/backward situation than puongyang. Will be interesting to see how Vietnam develops this coming decade, at the rate they are moving , they will soon be one of the most developed countries in South east Asia in a decade or two.
well done to VCP . Always better to learn from a successful friend/neighbor or even rival .

The key difference is NK is not a real socialist/communist state and does not need to derive legitimacy from social and economic progress. It is a modern day absolutist monarchy that has survived into the 21st century, which is impressive in it of itself. Not only have they survived- they enjoy stability and (for the most part) complete self-sufficiency, while managing to build a credible and robust defense establishment and enjoying high popular support among the peasantry. Your benchmark of GDP/capita = success is deeply flawed.

 

[sunnymaxi]

25,000 Vietnamese students currently studying in China.

From Vietnam Party chief’s To Lam speech at Tsinghua University there’s now 25,000 Vietnamese students in China. Before 2019, this figure was in the single-digit thousands. Vietnam has thus recorded the most dramatic rise globally in the number of students to China.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2044081596374888551

 

[TOKYO DRIFT ABC]

Reason I said Vietnamese leaders are better students of Chinas success than North Korea who seem to have learned basically nothing . The results are clear for all to see. Vietnam is growing much faster (fastest in ASEAN. actually) and improving at a much faster rate despite coming from a far poorer/backward situation than puongyang. Will be interesting to see how Vietnam develops this coming decade, at the rate they are moving , they will soon be one of the most developed countries in South east Asia in a decade or two.
well done to VCP . Always better to learn from a successful friend/neighbor or even rival .

Look at it from China's perspective. North Korea is a nuclear armed fortress sitting on a vital strategic spot, and its main job is to stay hostile to the West. For Beijing, it's actually more convenient for North Korea to remain a "poor, closed off buffer state." They probably don't want them getting rich and opening up to the world, because that would change everything. Sucks for the people living there, but that's just how it is.

 

[PeaceKrieger424]

Look at it from China's perspective. North Korea is a nuclear armed fortress sitting on a vital strategic spot, and its main job is to stay hostile to the West. For Beijing, it's actually more convenient for North Korea to remain a "poor, closed off buffer state." They probably don't want them getting rich and opening up to the world, because that would change everything. Sucks for the people living there, but that's just how it is.

Yeah, no. North Korea's not some back-bench puppet. They've got their own playbook. They've gone ahead with nuclear tests despite China's advice, and post-2022 started vibing more with Russia. So this whole 'China could just snap its fingers and keep them poor and locked down' take? The priority here is avoiding a full collapse, dodging a war, stopping a nuclear domino effect in the region and preventing a potential refugee crisis across Yalu. Keeping north korea poor was never the goal, it's just an unfortunate side effect of the main mission: keeping the regime stable and the neighborhood from going up in flames. China is making the best of a bad hand.

 

[TOKYO DRIFT ABC]

Yeah, no. North Korea's not some back-bench puppet. They've got their own playbook. They've gone ahead with nuclear tests despite China's advice, and post-2022 started vibing more with Russia. So this whole 'China could just snap its fingers and keep them poor and locked down' take? The priority here is avoiding a full collapse, dodging a war, stopping a nuclear domino effect in the region and preventing a potential refugee crisis across Yalu. Keeping north korea poor was never the goal, it's just an unfortunate side effect of the main mission: keeping the regime stable and the neighborhood from going up in flames. China is making the best of a bad hand.

I’m not saying North Korea is anyone’s puppet. But from China’s perspective, if North Korea actually became a wealthy, prosperous nation, they’d become even more unpredictable and impossible for Beijing to handle.

 

[Michael90]

Problem is, China wasn't teaching. China was doing what's right for us with what we uniquely have. Vietnam does not have the same. When a guppy tries to copy a shark's homework, the result is no good at all, could be quite dangerous as well.

Absolutely. Vietnam at knee height the instant Trump threatens tariffs while North Korea laughs and points to its nukes, even offering one to Iran. Donnie says he gets along with Kim very very well; Kim just ignores him.

Also, what is the name of the Vietnamese president? I don't know; do you? Donnie doesn't know. What's the name of the South Korean president? Starts with... Lee something? I'm not sure but I am sure he's going to jail after his term cus that's their custom over there.

Who is the leader of North Korea? Ask you, me, Trump, anyone, my Mexican gardner and they will all tell you:
"KIM. JONG. UN"

What the hell does knowing a leader's name helps a country in anything? Lol Is it a popularity contest? Lmao. By that logic zelensky should make Ukraine prosper mikenever before . Lol
I would rather have a leader who brings my country development and makes me and my family prosper and is unknown in the world than having a popular brutal dictator leader who hasnt improved my families live by much and how has has instilled a sense of fear and indoctrination where I'm even forbidden of thinking of leaving my home town to seek greener pastures/better live somewhere else .
It's crazy to even think people will think of supporting the latter over the former .
Do you guys even realise that if for example the Chinese even on this site who live in the west were north Koreans they will never be allowed to go back to their country for fear of facing jail time or even death ?lol.
I'm sure if you guys still had a maoist type of government led by the gang of four with maos wife(they could have easily kept power after maos death, luckily for china Deng still jad some influence in the government and military to be able to oust them from power) you wouldnt be supporting them(they are the closest thing one can think of to what we have as the kim dynasty in Korea today) as such for obvious reasons. Lol

Theres no comparison today the route Vietnam has taken to that the fat kim dynasty who is the only country in Asia who still lives in the past to be honest(its sad for the very intelligent north Korean people, just have to look at what their countrymen in the south have achieved to see that its more about the system that impedes their emergence). Vietnam despite coming from far behind North Korea is doing far better than in the past and their people are far more optimistic about their future ( i can attest to that since i myself have been there before and could see the change and why the youths were optimistic about their future as they have clearly seen their lives change positively with each passing year and more investments and tourists are pouring in even more) than North Koreans who basically live in a large open prison to be honest. So i can easily predict that Vietnam in 10 years from now Vietnam would have grown even more wealthier/developed than North Korea again compared to where both countries are today.

Like einstein said: "Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting diffreent results".

 

[supercat]

The demise of BRI is greatly exaggerated.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2044441947884999086

 

[manqiangrexue]

What the hell does knowing a leader's name helps a country in anything? Lol Is it a popularity contest? Lmao.

It's the country's legacy; it's not whether you've ranked 56th or 72nd in the global quality of life rankings. It's who you are, what you can be proud of and what everyone knows you for.

By that logic zelensky should make Ukraine prosper mikenever before . Lol

Kim is known for being a hard-ass and apparantly, Rocket Man by Trump. Zelensky's known for being the fall guy in Ukraine and the global beggar of goods. If he wasn't such an idiot, Russia would have found out what building he's in and missile struck him out of existance.

I would rather have a leader who brings my country development and makes me and my family prosper and is unknown in the world than having a popular brutal dictator leader who hasnt improved my families live by much and how has has instilled a sense of fear and indoctrination where I'm even forbidden of thinking of leaving my home town to seek greener pastures/better live somewhere else .

OK, would you rather have a leader who brings the whole country to its knees when threatened or one who no one dares challenge? Would you rather be in a clean city with disciplined nice people and near zero crime rate or a drug-infested jungle watching foreigners with hookers around their arms come stroll around like they own the streets while chucking pocket change at the local vendors? Yeah, they had the time of their lives, then they go home and talk about what a backwards piece of shit your country is. How do they behave in North Korea (if they dare go)? Like they're in Jesus' house and one Mr. Warmbier tried to test them by stealing a hotel sign. Ended up crying like a little bitch on live TV about how the US decieved him and was still beaten into a coma and sent home a corpse. Americans don't play around with North Korea, do they? Let's see Johnny Somali NorKor edition! All 5 seconds of it! LMFAO

It's crazy to even think people will think of supporting the latter over the former .

It's crazy that you still haven't realized that people have pride and life isn't just about how much shit you can afford to put in your house.

Do you guys even realise that if for example the Chinese even on this site who live in the west were north Koreans they will never be allowed to go back to their country for fear of facing jail time or even death ?lol.

Do you realize that that happens because the people in North Korea agree with the policy and do not tolerate treason? Do you realize that the vast majority of people never leave their countries so it's largely irrelevent? Do you realize how good it feels to declare your sovereignty and not fear being invaded?

I'm sure if you guys still had a maoist type of government led by the gang of four with maos wife(they could have easily kept power after maos death, luckily for china Deng still jad some influence in the government and military to be able to oust them from power) you wouldnt be supporting them(they are the closest thing one can think of to what we have as the kim dynasty in Korea today) qs such for obvious reasons.

Deng is just smarter; he's not less agressive or willing to be subservient. I would support a government with a plan to be pragmatic now for the sake of power in the future, never a government that gives up ready to submit to a greater power.

Theres no comparison today to the route Vietnam has taken to that the fat kim dynasty has taken. Vietnam is doing far bettee than in the past and their people are far more optimistic about their future (for a good reason) than North Koreans who basically live in a large open prison to be honest. So i can easily predict that Vietnam in 10 years from now Vietnam would have grown even more wealthier/developed than North Korea again compared to where both countries are today.

There's no comparison but you keep comparing them and I keep reminding you that you are doing a shit job of it. Vietnam got invaded by the US but still bows to their demands. If I were Viet, I wouldn't know how to live this down; If I were Japanese and realized that my country is a dog to the nation that nuked us twice into submission, I'd puke myself to death. No wealth is real if another country can take it away and if you compared the lives of Vietnamese with those of North Korea, I doubt you'd find the former significantly better. They are known to suffer on rice paddies and emigrate whenever possible. Both countries are poor but at least North Korea is hard and has pride. No comparison or North Korean victory.

Like einstein said: "Insanity is doing the same thing and expecting diffreent results".

I don't think you even know what that means even though you've quoted it many times. That is in reference to experimental parameters. In real life, every person, every country is different; you cannot do the same thing as another country hoping for the same results even if you tried. Ask India how copying China to become the next manufacturing power is going.