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To Lam is reportedly heading to China after securing the Presidency of Vietnam. He was of course already the CPV General Secretary, but is now the first leader of Vietnam to hold both party and state titles simultaneously (well, to be annoyingly technical, he already held them both briefly in 2024, during the leadership transition, but now holds them both on a permanent instead of temporary basis).

HANOI, April 8 (Reuters) - Vietnam's top leader To Lam is planning a visit to China next week to meet his counterpart Xi Jinping, three people ‌briefed on the plans told Reuters, in a trip that would closely follow his elevation to the state presidency. The trip, which is still being planned and could be postponed because of scheduling issues, would cement Vietnam's ties with its much larger neighbour at a time when both are worried about energy security and face tariff pressure from the United States.

The sources declined to be named because in Vietnam details of leaders' overseas trips are considered sensitive. The trip ⁠is expected to take place on 14-17 April, two of the people said. It would likely be Lam's first overseas trip since he was
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on Tuesday, a step that gave him a powerful double mandate to rule the country for the next five years, with a concentration of power which is unusual in Vietnam and similar to China's, where Xi also heads both the party and the state.

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To Lam is reportedly heading to China after securing the Presidency of Vietnam. He was of course already the CPV General Secretary, but is now the first leader of Vietnam to hold both party and state titles simultaneously (well, to be annoyingly technical, he already held them both briefly in 2024, during the leadership transition, but now holds them both on a permanent instead of temporary basis).



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lol Vietnam seems to like copying /following China political system in many ways .lol. In this aspect they are much more wiser than fat Kim dynasty . It’s always better to learn from
a successful friend’s model than being an outlier who refuses any form of learning/adapting .
 

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lol Vietnam seems to like copying /following China political system in many ways .lol. In this aspect they are much more wiser than fat Kim dynasty . It’s always better to learn from
a successful friend’s model than being an outlier who refuses any form of learning/adapting .
The situation in Vietnam is nowhere near as dire as that in North Korea, which is situated squarely on the front lines between the Eastern and Western superpowers—whether in terms of ideology or geography.
 
lol Vietnam seems to like copying /following China political system in many ways .lol. In this aspect they are much more wiser than fat Kim dynasty . It’s always better to learn from
a successful friend’s model than being an outlier who refuses any form of learning/adapting .
What incentives does Kim or his generals have for reform and liberalization? They can enjoy stability and security, and on top of that they have managed to keep their population happier than most people around the world, including Americans. North Korea is not China, what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander.
 

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lol Vietnam seems to like copying /following China political system in many ways .lol. In this aspect they are much more wiser than fat Kim dynasty . It’s always better to learn from
a successful friend’s model than being an outlier who refuses any form of learning/adapting .

Confirmation of the prior report, with the further confirmation that he is meeting Xi (as you would expect from head of state visit).

BEIJING, April 9 (Reuters) - Vietnam's top leader To Lam will visit China ‌next week from April 14 to 17, Chinese state news agency Xinhua said ⁠on Thursday. The announcement confirms a Reuters
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about Vietnam's state president and party chief's planned visit to its largest and most significant neighbour ‌in ⁠terms of geopolitical and economic influence. In what would be his first overseas ⁠trip since he was elected state president, Lam ⁠will be meeting his counterpart, President ⁠Xi Jinping, according to sources.

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What incentives does Kim or his generals have for reform and liberalization? They can enjoy stability and security, and on top of that they have managed to keep their population happier than most people around the world, including Americans. North Korea is not China, what is good for the goose is not always good for the gander.
Yes I’m sure you would love to live in North Korea. lmao
Is that why some North Koreans who anre daring enough are ready to risk their lives to flee to the south when they can? lol is that a happy country to you? lol. You do know that if any North Korean is caught running away from his country then his punishment is death right ? Yet some still choose to take the risk. Very happy country indeed. lol
have you ever seen a South Korean ready to risk their his life to flee his country to another country?
Seriously, I know people who have been to Vietnam , and some who even moved there for work and the country is opening up/reforming and growing even more each year . I can’t think of anybody who will ever consider moving/living in North Korea . lol
 
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Yes I’m sure you would love to live in North Korea. lmao
Is that why some North Koreans who anre daring enough are ready to risk their lives to flee to the south when they can? lol is that a happy country to you? lol. You do know that if any North Korean is caught running away from his country then his punishment is death right ? Yet some still choose to take the risk. Very happy country indeed. lol
have you ever seen a South Korean ready to risk their his life to flee his country to another country?
Seriously, I know people who have been to Vietnam , and some who even moved there for work and the country is opening up/reforming and growing even more each year . I can’t think of anybody who will ever consider moving/living in North Korea . lol
Stop intentionally straw manning- obviously, it would be difficult for someone from the outside world to get accustomed to life in North Korea. Many people fled during the famine years, but the last famine was almost two decades ago. Sure, some people still have fled during the past decade, but same could be said of any country. Did you know there have been actual cases of NK detectors living in SK that have returned to NK? It's relatively easy for PRC citizens to visit North Korea, and the truth is that while backwards and relatively lacking in material conditions, most North Koreans are happy with their lives.
 

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lol Vietnam seems to like copying /following China political system in many ways .lol. In this aspect they are much more wiser than fat Kim dynasty . It’s always better to learn from
a successful friend’s model than being an outlier who refuses any form of learning/adapting .
LOL Fat Kim dynasty bows to no one. When Trump threatens tariffs, the first one in fellatio-giving position is Vietnam. That's why you don't copy other people's homework. China has the scale to do this; Vietnam does not. A country the size of Vietnam/North Korea is best served to harden itself in defense rather than attempt China's Wolf-in-Sheep's-Clothing bid to topple what was the lone superpower.
Yes I’m sure you would love to live in North Korea. lmao
It has its perks. Serve the state well and they give you everything. 1 wife, 1 life; be a scoundrel and end up on the chopping board. There is a refreshing lack of shenanigans going on there if you prefer a no-bullshit lifestyle and you have your head on straight for who you are.
Is that why some North Koreans who anre daring enough are ready to risk their lives to flee to the south when they can? lol
Yes, that is why. Some people are flowery; they like neon streets of drugs, prostitution, racism, confused gender identity and police brutality. Or some of them don't even know. North Korea's not for everyone; you need mental fortitude. There's people who hate their country in every nation, eh?
is that a happy country to you? lol.
Yeah. They're more family-oriented and have more babies than South Korea, which is working themselves to death for... what reason? You'd think they were competing for a Superpower position the way they work but they live under and American boot. Happiness has to be quite low when you make movies like Parasite and they become star hits.
You do know that if any North Korean is caught running away from his country then his punishment is death right ? Yet some still choose to take the risk. Very happy country indeed. lol
Who carries out the execution? Other North Koreans who agree with the lifestyle and rules. Who supports those North Koreans? The majority of North Koreans on the streets who cheer their country and leader rather than start riots for change. The country wasn't modelled for those people with no mental fortitude. It was made for people who like to live life with purpose, to salute their leaders and who don't like dirty drug-infested, 15 genders, don't-know-who-your-dad-is bullshit.
have you ever seen a South Korean ready to risk their his life to flee his country to another country?
I've seen a South Korean kill him/herself straight up. As a matter of fact, I think that happens very often in that country.
Seriously, I know people who have been to Vietnam , and some who even moved there for work and the country is opening up/reforming and growing even more each year .
Vietnam's not terrible if you like the easy nightlife, spending your USD like it's worth 10X more.
I can’t think of anybody who will ever consider moving/living in North Korea . lol
North Korea wouldn't take them. But it you look at MAGA, they would love it if Trump made the US a huge North Korea, they saluted him every day and executed anyone who complained.
 
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Vietnam is taking more leaves from the Chinese book. CPV continues to be a diligent student of CPC.

HANOI, April 13 (Reuters) - Vietnam is increasingly edging closer to China's model of governance, tightening state control while embracing Chinese technology and regulation as its
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in decades heads to Beijing this week, according to internal documents, public policy plans and sources. The two Communist neighbours have swung between conflict and cooperation over centuries. Now, Vietnam is ‌leaning more openly toward Beijing, as China-friendly security figures rise in Hanoi under party chief To Lam, a former public security boss.

"Vietnam-China relations have entered a new stage, marked by higher political trust, more substantive defence and security cooperation, deeper and more practical cooperation across sectors," Lam said in a joint statement with Xi after they last met in April 2025.

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TIL that "socialism with Vietnamese characteristics" is actually an official term.

After nearly 40 years of renovation, our Party has taken steps to mature, the country has developed in many areas, and its fortune, potential, position, and international reputation are increasing. The tremendous and historically significant achievements of the renovation process show that thoroughly grasping, mastering and implementing a practical perspective is of great significance. We have “created a socialist society with Vietnamese characteristics, deeply imprinted with the genius and character of the nation, in its goals and motivations, in its path, steps, and methods.

Socialism with Vietnamese characteristics is the victorious culmination of the historical journey that Ho Chi Minh outlined at the beginning of the century, the complete fulfillment of his Will, and the pinnacle of the revolutionary cause of Vietnam’s three phases of liberation”(28).

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