The War in the Ukraine
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FPV drones destroyed an Abrams tank and a Ukrainian convoy in Grishino. Footage has emerged of an attempted counteroffensive by the Ukrainian 425th Separate Assault Regiment "Skala" in the Pokrovsk sector. An armored group consisting of a BMP-2, an M1A1 Abrams tank, an M113 armored personnel carrier, an M1117 armored personnel carrier, several armored vehicles, and an infantry group attempted to break through near Grishino. According to the video, all the armored vehicles were destroyed by FPV drones. The video has been shortened. Fifty-three Ukrainian soldiers were killed; the footage has been removed from the video.
Seems there is now an antiradiation version of the Geran family. Makes sense, a carbon fiber/fiberglass body that is somewhat radar absorbant, kind of low observable shape and a really low, slow flying that probably makes it all harder to detect to most legacy systems.
In hindsight is kind of a no-brainer.
In hindsight is kind of a no-brainer.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
Awww, the range. You can tell that thing was designed for a time when the most dangeours systems being exported were upgraded Kubs and Pechoras.
plawolf
Lieutenant General
It’s more the hilarious full circle in the evolution of this weapon.
Started as cheap Israeli loitering anti-radiation SEAD weapon; got sold to China, who made its own domestic variant and transferred the tech to Iran; Iran stripped out the anti-radiation capabilities and increased size to make it an ultra cheap garage cruise missile; Iran then sold the Shahed to Russia, and now Russia has made it back into an anti-radiation loitering SEAD munition.
Actually it started even earlier. dornier DAR is the same layout, from early 1980s. and actually started as an anti radar drone. But it never reached service. South african Kentron then made its ard10 drone, of same layout and role. Whether they got input from dornier or they just copied the concept is unknown.
Kentron then allegedly sold the concept and design to iai thus harpy was born, flying in 1989. Also allegedly, kentron sold the concept and design to iran at some point later. Leading to shahed, though for a different role. And as we now know, some gerans have come a full circle, going back to originally intended anti radar role.
Kentron then allegedly sold the concept and design to iai thus harpy was born, flying in 1989. Also allegedly, kentron sold the concept and design to iran at some point later. Leading to shahed, though for a different role. And as we now know, some gerans have come a full circle, going back to originally intended anti radar role.
People forget/don't realize that
In a refinery in my hometown (where I later worked as well), there was a Hydrogen gas explosion that took out a unit of equipment and the explosion was powerful enough to shatter windows of houses a few km away. No one was injured. Except for that particular line, the plant continued running once safety checks were complete.
PiSigma
"the engineer"
It comes down to the type of explosion or fire and which units/equipment is damaged. Some long lead equipment takes years to procure. If a typically reliable equipment got blown up, there might not be a spare in a warehouse, since it's not expected to break. If it was just some piping and small valves, those can be replaced fairly quickly.
Well, as a starter, a typical heavy refinery eqipment is as strong as the sidearmour of a main battle tank.
Additionally, all refinfery has few hundred, or thousand count maintanance team, whom has decades worth of experience about the equipment.
They have spares, and usually the equipment accross internal plants similar or same.
Means, if you destroy the pumps of the main fractional distillation column third time, and they haven't got more spare then they will switch off a less important plant , and raid the pumps and valves of it.
Worst case they can't make the proper diesel : Petrol : kertosene ratio,and has to store excess heavy for bit longer time.
There are engineers in the plant, and if needed they will re-design the equipment to continue the process.
So, to cause real harm you need to drop lot of bombs, periodically, and destroy lot of equipment .
And of course, in half year time the new spares manufactured, so this process needs to repeated continously, and with increased speed.
Bescause they are not stupid, so the supliers will start to make more equipment epxecting repeated strikes.