i have to ask, why don't they use the cluster ammunition against Israeli's airbase? They seem to be really good at avoiding interceptors.
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Probably because there are no cluster munitions being used, what we are seeing is just flares being used as penetration aids.
if you see Russian cluster munitions… there is no doubt that they have submunitions exploding over a wide area. In this war we have seen zero explosions from anything resembling that.
Pictures showing a few burning cars do not prove cluster munitions are bung used.
Real cluster munitions will be seen and heard as dozens of explosions happening almost simultaneously, if you have any evidence of this please share.
This would affect data centres among other things. It could seriously disrupt internet connectivity to India so...
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Does cluster submunition leave burning trails like in those Iran strike videos?
Because there's no point to open cluster up high if you want to have a tactically significant weapon. Otherwise it'll be about as accurate as V-2, somewhere into that city.
This isn't tactically significant weapon, it's revenge weapon, meant to disturb civilian live right through ABM.
In the many bizarre exchanges that occurred in the run-up to the US-Israeli attack on Iran, perhaps the most unexpected was an invitation by Donald Trump’s special envoy Steve Witkoff for the Iranian foreign minister, Abbas Araghchi, to join him and Trump’s son-in-law, , for a visit to the USS Abraham Lincoln carrier strike group.
The idea that Araghchi would leave talks in about the future of Iran’s nuclear programme to tour a ship sent to the Gulf in an effort to dislodge his government seemed idiosyncratic at best.
But it was symptomatic of the unorthodox way in which Kushner and Witkoff approached the nuclear talks that stretched through last year and this, and have twice been halted by Israeli and US airstrikes.
One Gulf diplomat, who has direct knowledge of the talks and is furious with Witkoff and Kushner’s behaviour, described the pair as “Israeli assets that had conspired to force the US president into entering a war from which he is now desperate to get himself out of”.
Witkoff does not pretend to regional expertise – in one of his recent interviews he referred to the strait of Hormuz as the “Gulf of Hormuz”. Similarly, he admitted in an interview that his knowledge of Iran’s nuclear programme was sketchy, but insisted he “was competent to discuss it since he had studied it”.
Yet, in the five sessions of the first round of talks last year – held before the 12-day June war – Witkoff rarely took notes and brought with him only Michael Anton, a hawkish essayist and political philosopher with no specialism in the Iran nuclear file. Anton was supposed to have an unnamed technical team back in Washington, and at times, as in May 2025, they could produce hard-core technical demands, but this level of expertise was never in the talks.
When talks resumed in Oman on 6 February, Witkoff, in a breach of protocol and to the surprise of Oman’s foreign minister, Badr bin Hamad Al Busaidi, arrived in Muscat with Adm Brad Cooper, the commander of US forces in the Middle East, in full naval uniform. Witkoff’s explanation was that “he just happened to be in the neighbourhood”.
Cooper was politely asked to leave the talks by his Omani hosts.
The idea that Araghchi would leave talks in about the future of Iran’s nuclear programme to tour a ship sent to the Gulf in an effort to dislodge his government seemed idiosyncratic at best.
But it was symptomatic of the unorthodox way in which Kushner and Witkoff approached the nuclear talks that stretched through last year and this, and have twice been halted by Israeli and US airstrikes.
One Gulf diplomat, who has direct knowledge of the talks and is furious with Witkoff and Kushner’s behaviour, described the pair as “Israeli assets that had conspired to force the US president into entering a war from which he is now desperate to get himself out of”.
Witkoff does not pretend to regional expertise – in one of his recent interviews he referred to the strait of Hormuz as the “Gulf of Hormuz”. Similarly, he admitted in an interview that his knowledge of Iran’s nuclear programme was sketchy, but insisted he “was competent to discuss it since he had studied it”.
Yet, in the five sessions of the first round of talks last year – held before the 12-day June war – Witkoff rarely took notes and brought with him only Michael Anton, a hawkish essayist and political philosopher with no specialism in the Iran nuclear file. Anton was supposed to have an unnamed technical team back in Washington, and at times, as in May 2025, they could produce hard-core technical demands, but this level of expertise was never in the talks.
When talks resumed in Oman on 6 February, Witkoff, in a breach of protocol and to the surprise of Oman’s foreign minister, Badr bin Hamad Al Busaidi, arrived in Muscat with Adm Brad Cooper, the commander of US forces in the Middle East, in full naval uniform. Witkoff’s explanation was that “he just happened to be in the neighbourhood”.
Cooper was politely asked to leave the talks by his Omani hosts.
The Guardian Live
Updating our earlier post about an Iranian missile barrage that killed two people in Ramat Gan, near Tel Aviv, Israel’s national railway company said shrapnel had also disrupted train services.
Authorities reported that falling munitions had hit multiple sites in central Israel in the overnight barrage that triggered air raid sirens across the area, after another day of heavy Israeli bombardments in Iran and .
Police spokesperson Dean Elsdunne said that, according to an initial assessment of the deadly impact, a residential building was hit by a cluster bomb in Ramat Gan. The munition “collapsed the roof in on an elderly couple that were in their room. Unfortunately, this couple did not go to the safe room when the alarm sounded, and as a result, we have this unfortunate tragedy,” Elsdunne said.
The latest deaths took the toll from missile attacks on Israel since the start of the Middle East war late last month to 14 people.
Updating our earlier post about an Iranian missile barrage that killed two people in Ramat Gan, near Tel Aviv, Israel’s national railway company said shrapnel had also disrupted train services.
Authorities reported that falling munitions had hit multiple sites in central Israel in the overnight barrage that triggered air raid sirens across the area, after another day of heavy Israeli bombardments in Iran and .
Police spokesperson Dean Elsdunne said that, according to an initial assessment of the deadly impact, a residential building was hit by a cluster bomb in Ramat Gan. The munition “collapsed the roof in on an elderly couple that were in their room. Unfortunately, this couple did not go to the safe room when the alarm sounded, and as a result, we have this unfortunate tragedy,” Elsdunne said.
The latest deaths took the toll from missile attacks on Israel since the start of the Middle East war late last month to 14 people.
The recent development in Israeli censorship is that they allow footage of the damage to be shared if it involves Israeli civilians. Footage of damaged military targets is prohibited by law with jail sentences being handed out.
The very first use of the "cluster munition" as revealed by Israeli reporter's slip-of-the-tongue was the hit on a Mossad facility in Tel Aviv, described as "a direct hit; we've never seen anything like this [cluster munitions] before".
I'm pretty sure the purpose is to make interception extra difficult. Civilian life is just collateral when you place military installations and equipment in civilian dense areas (such as Israeli AD batteries that we've seen firing many times from the center of Tel Aviv, Mossad offices under a bloody hospital, government buildings in the middle of Tel Aviv's commercial areas).