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PandaAI

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So far Venezuela VP seems to be resisting America

Do you guys think it's a show? Previously it seemed like there was certainly a deal between Trump and certain factions in Venezuela

Right now I wouldn’t trust anyone in that Venezuelan government. From the VP to the defense minister it’s all too suspicious. It can be these people are publicly pretending to hate America while privately cooperating with them. Maduro was certainly abandoned by his own inner circle.
 

doggydogdo

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People blaming China for not doing enough is so stupid. If China gave Venezuela weapons that would just provoke US, US did this to Ukraine which is one of the reasons why Russia invaded. US is just being blatantly imperialistic for no reason at all and that's no fault of China's. China should always start by promoting peace, blaming them for a rational actor is crazy.

Also why do people think China is weak? US is scared to do anything to China after the Korean war, they didn't invade North Vietnam because of China. China today is much stronger than China of the past and is growing stronger by the minute and all the wests can do is complain about trade surplus and not put on some tariff to protect their most loved industries and even then, their manufacturing exports would be decimated in a few years' time. China doesn't need wars or proxies to change the international order, it just needs a few more years ;).
 

enroger

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The biggest lesson for China is that China needs to train up on foreign intervention kungfu. I've always said this in the past but a lot of people keep insisting on non-intervention principle as if it is some kind of moral high ground.

Trump's style is that he probe in every direction, if the opposition is strong he taco, if the opposition is weak he squeeze the shit out of them. Trump maybe a idiot in running a country but this is the second geopolitical gamble that he won, clearly there is something to it.

China may soon surpass the US in terms of economy, technology and hard military power, however the MSS is a joke compared to CIA. Events like this show you how useful these things are.
 

bsdnf

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The biggest lesson for China is that China needs to train up on foreign intervention kungfu. I've always said this in the past but a lot of people keep insisting on non-intervention principle as if it is some kind of moral high ground.

Trump's style is that he probe in every direction, if the opposition is strong he taco, if the opposition is weak he squeeze the shit out of them. Trump maybe a idiot in running a country but this is the second geopolitical gamble that he won, clearly there is something to it.

China may soon surpass the US in terms of economy, technology and hard military power, however the MSS is a joke compared to CIA. Events like this show you how useful these things are.
A common misconception equates the MSS with the CIA.

Whenever one encounters this line of thinking, it reveals that the person fundamentally lacks understanding of China's intelligence agencies.
 

enroger

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A common misconception equates the MSS with the CIA.

Whenever one encounters this line of thinking, it reveals that the person fundamentally lacks understanding of China's intelligence agencies.

Forget about MSS then, does China have any assets comparable to CIA in terms of infiltration/coup/assassination/color revolution?
 
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AverageAmmonite

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To be quite honest, as someone who thinks China should be more interventionist, I don't think helping Venezuela would have been the right move. The government is the bottom of the barrel in terms of competency and corruption, even compared to places like Iran. China could have sent 1000 J-36's and it wouldn't have mattered because the military will just take American money and surrender.

Instead what China should be doing is ensuring that countries in its neighborhood are aligned with it, even if it requires force.
 

2handedswordsman

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To be quite honest, as someone who thinks China should be more interventionist, I don't think helping Venezuela would have been the right move. The government is the bottom of the barrel in terms of competency and corruption, even compared to places like Iran. China could have sent 1000 J-36's and it wouldn't have mattered because the military will just take American money and surrender.

Instead what China should be doing is ensuring that countries in its neighborhood are aligned with it, even if it requires force.
man they are continuously elected. People support Chavismo, the competency and corruption is a narrative intended to mislead opinions from the fact that there's an embargo. Same in Iran, DPRK, Cuba and so on. Evolve to trilobite please ;)
 
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