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MortyandRick

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It isn't China's responsibility but it can hurt China in the longterm if US keeps eliminating countries from China's sphere of influence (or potential partners) one by one. That looks like the strategy.
I was really hoping at least, the Chinese MSS could get some info on the invasion, that they would place agents around the city and at least look a few manpad missiles against the helicopters when they flew by

Imagine the cost to the US of they had lost even a few helicopters with SOF on board. That would have been easy pickings.
 

plawolf

Lieutenant General
I was really hoping at least, the Chinese MSS could get some info on the invasion, that they would place agents around the city and at least look a few manpad missiles against the helicopters when they flew by

Imagine the cost to the US of they had lost even a few helicopters with SOF on board. That would have been easy pickings.

That’s just stooping to America’s level of playing dirty for no other reason than to fuck with your opponent.

I’m not saying China is categorically against such plays, but generally China prefers to at least look like it’s taking the moral high road where China is merely advancing Chinese interests and that fucking you over is just a happy coincidence.

Additionally, in this case, to play such games carries serious risks. If the Venezuelan domestic security apparatus has collectively all stood down, that speaks to a massive conspiracy and a deal having been done with the U.S. If that is so, having your agents shoot down US helicopters will most likely result in the entire Venezuelan security apparatus trying to hunt your guys down, with active American military assistance. Which is just asking for at least one of your guys to be killed or captured and then you just gift wrapped America a massive propaganda win that could carry real, serious and wide reaching diplomatic and economic consequences. All that just to kill a handful of American grunts and piss on Trump’s parade. Hardly seems worth it does it?

This is something America would do, and China is winning across the board precisely because it’s disciplined enough to not give into its baser instincts despite endless American provocations and spends its energy and resources advancing Chinese interests first and foremost instead of endlessly trying to trip America up. Because enough of America’s such dirty plays against China have backfired that China really doesn’t need to do much itself in the fucking America up department. Indeed, I suspect this high handed, I can’t be bothered to even respond to you attitude is deliberately calculated to trigger the Americans the most and drive them to try harder to fuck with China, and in doing so they end up Green lighting more and more questionable ops and schemes that backfires more often and more spectacularly.
 

_killuminati_

Captain
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I was really hoping at least, the Chinese MSS could get some info on the invasion, that they would place agents around the city and at least look a few manpad missiles against the helicopters when they flew by

Imagine the cost to the US of they had lost even a few helicopters with SOF on board. That would have been easy pickings.
If Venezuelans backed this little coup, then they were surely also providing security to the incoming Americans. What then is the benefit of any country's manpads? Chinook mtow combat radius would not allow this operation without Venezuelan support, the latter probably also allowing refueling, perhaps on it's own soil.

The deal must have been the US demanding capture of Maduro while showing off the raid and no hostilities to American soldiers or equipment.
 

bebops

Junior Member
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I was really hoping at least, the Chinese MSS could get some info on the invasion, that they would place agents around the city and at least look a few manpad missiles against the helicopters when they flew by

Imagine the cost to the US of they had lost even a few helicopters with SOF on board. That would have been easy pickings.

There were 150 jets and planes flew. The MSS should have picked up something and contact Venezuela.

All Russian defense system (S300) got jammed before they were shot down. It reminded me of India jammed Pak's HQ-9. HQ-9 used AESA and it still got jammed.

Defense system, by itself, is not a good system. You need fighter jets and EW to support it.
 

CMP

Captain
Registered Member
If they had killed him in the raid, would they have just dragged his body through the streets?
Judging by the online photos published of other dictators that were directly and indirectly executed by the US, yes.
Once again proving that supporting American products is quite often literally supporting American imperialism
Support for American products and services is a crime against humanity. Chinese iPhone users should be severely punished.
 

FriedButter

Brigadier
Registered Member
There were 150 jets and planes flew. The MSS should have picked up something and contact Venezuela.

All Russian defense system (S300) got jammed before they were shot down. It reminded me of India jammed Pak's HQ-9. HQ-9 used AESA and it still got jammed.

Defense system, by itself, is not a good system. You need fighter jets and EW to support it.

They had 5000 Russian Igna manpads. As you can see from available footage, those 2 helicopters flew in without any opposition. No anti air missile. Not even a single bullet was fired. I don’t know why you think if someone told them it would have made a difference. The military and security forces were clearly told to stand down and to do absolutely nothing either in being sold out or in an negotiated deal.

Sources inside the opposition told Sky News they believe Maduro's capture was a "negotiated exit".

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Dante80

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I was really hoping at least, the Chinese MSS could get some info on the invasion, that they would place agents around the city and at least look a few manpad missiles against the helicopters when they flew by

Imagine the cost to the US of they had lost even a few helicopters with SOF on board. That would have been easy pickings.

There’s a lot of “funniest” things China could do. For example, publicly acknowledging the Donroe/Monroe Doctrine and noting that China has the same thing in the 9 dash line. A line they will note that includes all of China….

:cool:
 
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