US conflict in the Americas

[manqiangrexue]

The truth is in the next years China will lose all it influence in South America while USA will still massive have influence in Asia

Well, the US does focus on external power and influence because its own population does not hold the power to dominate. That is the opposite of China.

and all China can do is watch

Well, China can continue to outgrow the US at everything. First it was economic, then technological and finally, it is in the military. And while getting surpassed, all the US can do is watch... and punch random little guys, sometimes its own allies, in frustration.

 

[ougoah]

That's not physics; that's genetics. I would say that you overestimate your enemy's intellectual capacity. They are not in any sense a match for China intellectually and that is seen by the fact that the star scientists in every country are Chinese. You can be forgiven for making the mistake in thinking that, because China was in the past few decades very far behind the West. But that is not the historical norm. That only happened because China fell in the centuries long torpor as the unchallenged power in Asia. For most of human history, China's technology and civilization were superior to the West; we just happen to live in the hiccup. We are fast regaining that title. The West only got ahead of China due to a unique combination of China being extremely lazy and content and the West pushing forward as hard as they could. When it's the opposite, China wins; when both push hard, China wins by sheer intellect.

It is the opposite. Now that China has woken up, even the West at its fastest innovative capacity will not keep up, and the US noticed too late. The entire West and all its allies pooled together under multiple US presidents of differing philosophies could not reverse the trend of China overtaking the US. The military parade this year showed them that the military window has closed as well. Now Trump doesn't talk about China nearly as much as he did before; he knows he cannot manage it. But he can manage little things like Venezuela.

"You can't beat that," is something I heard a Chinese person once say about the US, maybe 20 years ago. He told me that the US financial control over the world means that they print money at will for real goods and you can never outbid them for talent because they make unlimited money while you work for yours. It was a depressing conversation... until China showed us that he's wrong. China has beaten and continues to beat what some thought was unbeatable so I don't follow your logic at all. It's a very good system and very tough to beat, but unbeatable is is not because unbeaten it is not.

I genuinely, sincerely wish you are correct.

I do hope US suffers disproportionately large blowback on its reputation for this and absolutely fails to make much if anything of the whole effort and it stops at meddling in Panama and this bizarre move on Venezuela.

It's best to be prepared for the worst though. Chinese leaders ought to be considering the worst and making plans and taking action. China showed us the military window isn't only closed, it's gone above the US in every single way except numbers of some platforms and numbers of nukes. Trade China wins, tech China wins. American is trying hard by scaling its reach back, preserving influence they have and hunkering down in its region and bullying/ forcefully taking over its neighbours. It's gone way past using financial crimes to harvest the world, it's openly taking over 18th and 19th century style. I would prefer the world give it a find out and place costs on doing these things but the demon is hard to slay.

 

[solarz]

My read on this is that this operation aligns with Trump’s stated goal of focusing on the US’ backyard instead of the globe. This is actually the most coherent strategy for the US right now as it becomes ever more evident that it can no longer afford to be a global hegemony.

 

[CMP]

My read on this is that this operation aligns with Trump’s stated goal of focusing on the US’ backyard instead of the globe. This is actually the most coherent strategy for the US right now as it becomes ever more evident that it can no longer afford to be a global hegemony.

There are already public announcements that they will do the same in Colombia, Cuba, and Mexico. My read is that they will simply compel cooperation through coercion and kidnap or assassinate any leaders in the Americas who do not go along with the new script. Global retrenchment => regional consolidation.

 

[solarz]

There are already public announcements that they will do the same in Colombia, Cuba, and Mexico. My read is that they will simply compel cooperation through coercion and kidnap or assassinate any leaders in the Americas who do not go along with the new script. Global retrenchment => regional consolidation.

You left out Canada.

 

[ougoah]

My read on this is that this operation aligns with Trump’s stated goal of focusing on the US’ backyard instead of the globe. This is actually the most coherent strategy for the US right now as it becomes ever more evident that it can no longer afford to be a global hegemony.

You are absolutely right but ffs the rest of us need to give it a kick in the head for doing it. At least scream and shout the hypocrisy and make a joke out of their rules based bullshit system by making it into a mockery following their precedence.

 

[_killuminati_]

Trump already emphasized the oil will continue to flow to China. If it continues to do so at previously agreed prices, then nothing has really changed just yet. In the future, the US will want to use this as leverage but only 4% of China's oil comes from Venezuela and market pricing will do its thing if the US takes Venezuelan output off the market. Furthermore, the US clearly intends to profit from the Venezuelan oil output as if it were entirely its own. So if the US takes those supplies off-market, that will cut into their own revenue.

But will it flow in USD or Yuan?

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2007482061418844581

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2007516714104435024

 

[grenztruppen75]

Why Maduro looks so relaxed

 

[CMP]

But will it flow in USD or Yuan?

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https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2007482061418844581

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/2007516714104435024

China can essentially print USD at lower interest rates than the US can at this point... and that's not counting the fact that China is constantly awash with incoming USD trade revenue anyways. Would it matter that much even if Latin America's use of Yuan in trade settlement stalled? In the meantime, Yuan use for trade settlement across Asia (including by Australia) is growing rapidly.

 

[weegee]

I think you need to consider your perception that Chinese intel is not strong, and compare that with how China navigated global geopolitics over the last 70 years, and ask yourself some simple questions.

no their panacea is exactly that, by not getting into the shits too deeply because too many things are out of your control, take Iran and Syria for example, also Russia to an extent, they are 'friends' but not really 'allies', not that Chinese intel can't be strong, its on the grand strategic level that they chose to play in such style, and so far it pays back very well I do hope they stick to it, for meddling like the US you'll need a lot of soft power China doesn't have this luxury as of now, they haven't even truly broken the first island chain yet (Taiwan would be a milestone), also NK slipped under their nose went on to have nuclear weapons so here you go