US conflict in the Americas

[Sierra]

Not everything is about oil... China's economy relies on exports and trading. Protecting trade routes and keeping foreign country open to your products worldwide should be a goal of the PLA.

And I am saying Venezuela is not even worth the trouble.

 

[Overbom]

If Venezuela troops showed up in the middle of the operation with manpad and shot down a chinook or two and have dozens or even 100 Americans stuck in the middle of Caracas unable to withdraw than it would be a military disaster. It's such a big risk that it makes a deal plausible.

MSS sleeping at the wheel.
Don't tell me they didn't cultivate a few pawns there

Even if Venezuela and US both made a deal, who cares? Just let the MSS and it's pawns there organise a few local elements there to shoot down a few US helicopters and then wash your hands and let the US and Venezuela deal with the shitshow.

Truth or lie doesn't matter. Once the deed is done and the "Venezuela killed our beautiful military!" hat is placed on Venezuela's head, US would be politically, diplomatically and militarily distracted for a few years more

MSS is not ruthless enough. Same for Russia as well, they should have even more reason to derail US plans in Venezuela and make the whole operation explode in it's face

 

[Tomboy]

And I am saying Venezuela is not even worth the trouble.

I was simply commenting on your statement that China does not seek global military presence

 

[Zichan]

If Venezuela troops showed up in the middle of the operation with manpad and shot down a chinook or two and have dozens or even 100 Americans stuck in the middle of Caracas unable to withdraw than it would be a military disaster. It's such a big risk that it makes a deal plausible.

I think this is a very silly conspiracy theory and will be disproven as the events unfold.

There are videos of US choppers performing CAS: the Venezuelans were fighting back, it’s just that their air force was destroyed on the ground an their air defenses obliterated.

As for MANPADS, it’s a calculated risk and confidence that against what Venezuela has CIRCM is more than capable of.

 

[Temstar]

Why his wife? What do they want her for?

 

[PandaAI]

Wonder if Xi will make a deal with Trump to give safe passage to Maduro to live in China. Maduro is very pro-China and very friendly towards Xi. Similar to Assad living in Russia. However the difference is that Assad’s entire government was toppled in Syria whereas Maduro’s government is still in charge of Venezuela.

 

[zhangjim]

You aren't wrong, but also if an organized nation state is trying to interfere with said trade through military means then what you have is just outright geopolitical competition/war, in which case direct confrontation at the site of impedance is probably not a very efficient way of solving the issue but rather lateral escalation, or alternatively escalation into outright wholescale war if it is part of just a larger power struggle.

All of this is my indirect way of suggesting that things like "It is in fact in China's interest to have global military dominance" shouldn't be thrown around so casually, especially in context of the prior discussion which was about the rationale/feasibility of having an overseas base as a deterrent against outside intervention by a nation like the US.

Americans have once again proven to us that the power that dares to be used is the true power. Fear of power is better than respect for restraint.
I still insist on my opinion. That terrible night in 2022 proved to the world the timidity and cowardice of the leadership, which cannot be saved by any advanced weapons.
If Trump can arrest Maduro, China has no reason not to arrest those real enemies. There are too many shameless clowns who dare to provoke and humiliate us.

 

[bsdnf]

Americans have once again proven to us that the power that dares to be used is the true power. Fear of power is better than respect for restraint.
I still insist on my opinion. That terrible night in 2022 proved to the world the timidity and cowardice of the leadership, which cannot be saved by any advanced weapons.
If Trump can arrest Maduro, China has no reason not to arrest those real enemies. There are too many shameless clowns who dare to provoke and humiliate us.

I don't think the PLA will consider arresting Lai, or at least not give him much importance.

The PLA needs boots on the ground, completely crush ROCA, eradicate the DPP and KMT, and re-establish its rule, not inexplicably arrest a foreign leader for the sake of the midterm elections and leave behind a mess. Lai's life or death is not so important in the context of this total war.

 

[Overbom]

I don't think the PLA will consider arresting Lai, or at least not give him much importance.

The PLA needs boots on the ground, completely crush ROCA, eradicate the DPP and KMT, and re-establish its rule, not inexplicably arrest a foreign leader for the sake of the midterm elections and leave behind a mess. Lai's life or death is not so important in the context of this total war.

Seeing that unprecedentedly, maybe first time in history that US just walked in, kidnapped the leader of a UN-recognised state, and walked out with zero consequences. China should just throw a missile on Lai's residence and obliterate the entire political and military leadership in one minute.

In this world, diplomacy and optics dont matter. The only thing that is real, is an express missile package utterly demolishing the entire residence complex of Lai and his friends

 

[plawolf]

TBF, the Chinese should have supplied and trained them with A2/AD systems. They only got some Iranian copies of Chinese AShMs and some speedboats lmao.

All that would have achieved is give the Americans those same systems.

Weapons and money is only part of the equation. No amount of arms and money can save a people not willing or able to fight to defend themselves.