US conflict in the Americas

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Sinnavuuty

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So has anyone from the opposition like that lady said anything? In order for US to get a big win they need to put someone like her in charge. If the same gang sans Maduro remains in power in Venezuela then it's bit of a PR victory.
With Maduro gone, the new leader of Venezuela will be Vice President Delsi Rodriguez. The armed forces continue to be led by Padrino Lopez. Both are Chavistas.
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Sinnavuuty

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And? Has that ever deterred the US from engaging in wars against Soviet interests that were seen to be threathening US interests around the world during the Cold War, whether that be done through proxy (e.g. Afghanistan) or being directly involved (e.g. Vietnam)?

Seems like you're the one who needs to relearn history. Cold War isn't as simple and clear-cut as many ought to think/believe.
That's true.

The United States, which became the dominant imperial power, and because the United States, internally one of the most liberal states, conducted the most aggressive foreign policy, while the former Soviet Union, for example, with its totally illiberal (repressive) domestic policies, adopted a comparatively peaceful and cautious foreign policy.

The United States knew it could militarily defeat any other state; therefore, it was aggressive. In contrast, the Soviet Union knew it was doomed to lose a military confrontation with any state of considerable size unless it could defeat it in a few days or weeks.
 

Sierra

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Which being fair is the entire world, as the largest trading nation with large investments and personnel in foreign countries. It is in fact in China's interest to have global military dominance.
No, they can get oil from Russia/Gulf/Iran and the demand has already peaked thanks to massive EV and Solar adoption.

Red Sea had better chances of seeing PLAN in action than this SA mess yet it didn't instead an understanding was preferred where Chinese vessels sailed without attacks when others couldn't.
 

Temstar

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With Maduro gone, the new leader of Venezuela will be Vice President Delsi Rodriguez. The armed forces continue to be led by Padrino Lopez. Both are Chavistas.
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There's a possibility that the deal was Trump gets Maduro and his PR victory which should help him in things at home like midterm, and the left wing remains in power in exchange. Meaning Trump sold out the opposition (who are Dem's assets, not Trump assets anyway). Maduro might have received verbal promise no physical harm. (not worth the paper it's not written on imho)

It depends on what happens now with sanctions and stuff. The very strange way that this was carried out has the feel of a police action where the police did a raid and captured some mob boss, instead of a proper military intervention with regime change as goal.
 
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Tomboy

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No, they can get oil from Russia/Gulf/Iran and the demand has already peaked thanks to massive EV and Solar adoption.

Red Sea had better chances of seeing PLAN in action than this SA mess yet it didn't instead an understanding was preferred where Chinese vessels sailed without attacks when others couldn't.
Not everything is about oil... China's economy relies on exports and trading. Protecting trade routes and keeping foreign country open to your products worldwide should be a goal of the PLA.
 

Blitzo

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Not everything is about oil... China's economy relies on exports and trading. Protecting trade routes and keeping foreign country open to your products worldwide should be a goal of the PLA.

You aren't wrong, but also if an organized nation state is trying to interfere with said trade through military means then what you have is just outright geopolitical competition/war, in which case direct confrontation at the site of impedance is probably not a very efficient way of solving the issue but rather lateral escalation, or alternatively escalation into outright wholescale war if it is part of just a larger power struggle.

All of this is my indirect way of suggesting that things like "It is in fact in China's interest to have global military dominance" shouldn't be thrown around so casually, especially in context of the prior discussion which was about the rationale/feasibility of having an overseas base as a deterrent against outside intervention by a nation like the US.
 

Temstar

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A few downed helicopters and dead US troops would have destroyed the Trump presidency .
Venezuela missed out a chance to make Trump the most unpopular president in US history

They should have asked Somalis how it's down when US troops tried to abduct Mohammed Aideed.
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If Venezuela troops showed up in the middle of the operation with manpad and shot down a chinook or two and have dozens or even 100 Americans stuck in the middle of Caracas unable to withdraw than it would be a military disaster. It's such a big risk that it makes a deal plausible.
 
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