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[GiantPanda]

That's the thing with reverse engineering. China does it so it's easy right?

Wrong. At the core of it technology is just based off simple rules and equations we learn in primary and secondary school. None of it is hidden or copyrighted

Yet how many people can make use of this blessed knowledge? You have people saying why do we need to learn what calculus is since we will never use it after school?

On the surface reverse engineering seems simple. In reality there's a reason why only a few countries can actually do it.

The simple answer about reverse engineering is that taking apart and understanding a piece of modern equipment like aircraft means absolutely nothing if you don't have the industrial complex behind you to build it. And build it in volume.

The Tejas is a F-5/MiG-21 replacement which India have debilitating issues in producing even with a lot of foreign help and parts. And the foreign parts are not just the engine, radar, avionics and electronic suite but stuff like the nose cone and refueling probe too.

India won't be able to do anything with a F-35 even if you throw in the blueprints and the American designers to help give them the complete understanding of every nut and bolt. They just don't have the industrial and technical base to build most of the parts.

 

[NorthKimBestKim]

Losing six top of the line combat aircraft is the same as a pencil breaking in exam now ladies and gentlemen…

Saar, the number of Rafale aircraft shot down is not 4. Number 4 is the number or Rafale aircraft achieving full stealth - no one can see them anymore, Saar! True 6.5+ Gen fighter for our Superior Hindutva Defence sector. It is simply Rafale's transition from 4.5 Gen to 6.5 Gen. They are like there, but at the same time, not there. You get it? Innit.

 

[Lethe]

Obscured by other events, the Indian Navy is currently experiencing a significant growth spurt, with three major combatants commissioned this year to date: P15B destroyer INS Surat, P17A frigate INS Nilgiri and Russian-built Talwar-class frigate INS Tamal. At least two more P17A frigates will join the fleet by the end of the year. This is probably the single most productive year in the history of the modern Indian Navy, at least insofar as surface combatants are concerned. The first of sixteen small (<1000t) Anti-Submarine Warfare - Shallow Water Craft (ASW-SWC) ships on order has also arrived, with INS Arnala being commissioned in June.

However, the current growth spurt in major surface combatants is likely to run out of steam by 2028, with the delivery of the ninth and tenth Talwar-class frigates. The first of six ~1400t Next-Generation Missile Vessel (NGMV) ships on order (basically the ASuW counterpart to the ASW-SWC ships, replacing Khukri-class corvettes) may begin to arrive from late 2020s, but there is likely to be a plateau in larger types from late 2020s to mid-2030s when P17B frigate and Next-Generation Corvette (NGC) programs may begin to fructify. The future P18 destroyer program that has occasioned much fevered speculation remains beyond the mid-term horizon.

 

[Sardaukar20]

India wants full tech transfer or the know how to make these things. Of course the US doesn't want to give out their IP. US never transfer new tech with any countries unless its a few generation old.

India should just buy a few, then take it apart and reverse engineer it.

They can't even reverse engineer an AK assault rifle. I just wonder how they are gonna achieve that with a 5th generation fighter.

 

[Sardaukar20]

Was there even a deal in the first place?

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India rejects F-35 offer, prioritises Make in India​

During Prime Minister Narendra Modi’s February visit to Washington, Trump personally pushed the sale of the F-35A stealth fighter jets. At first, Indian officials did consider the proposal, but eventually turned it down.


India conveyed its position to the US, making it clear that it was not interested in off-the-shelf defence acquisitions. Instead, the focus is on co-developing and co-producing defence equipment in India, aligning with the country’s long-running Make in India initiative.

Bloomberg reported that “the Modi government is unlikely to approve any major new defence deals with the US in the near future.”

So no Make in India F-35s in the near future for now.

 

[GulfLander]

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Reposting this post from scs thread, lndia sent warships in SCS for PH india patrol/exercise.

 

[AlexYe]

Obscured by other events, the Indian Navy is currently experiencing a significant growth spurt, with three major combatants commissioned this year to date: P15B destroyer INS Surat, P17A frigate INS Nilgiri and Russian-built Talwar-class frigate INS Tamal. At least two more P17A frigates will join the fleet by the end of the year. This is probably the single most productive year in the history of the modern Indian Navy, at least insofar as surface combatants are concerned. The first of sixteen small (<1000t) Anti-Submarine Warfare - Shallow Water Craft (ASW-SWC) ships on order has also arrived, with INS Arnala being commissioned in June.

However, the current growth spurt in major surface combatants is likely to run out of steam by 2028, with the delivery of the ninth and tenth Talwar-class frigates. The first of six ~1400t Next-Generation Missile Vessel (NGMV) ships on order (basically the ASuW counterpart to the ASW-SWC ships, replacing Khukri-class corvettes) may begin to arrive from late 2020s, but there is likely to be a plateau in larger types from late 2020s to mid-2030s when P17B frigate and Next-Generation Corvette (NGC) programs may begin to fructify. The future P18 destroyer program that has occasioned much fevered speculation remains beyond the mid-term horizon.

Good to read navy is having a productive year, prob the more straight forward acquisition/procurement paths compared to the other 2 branches.

 

[Lethe]

Good to read navy is having a productive year, prob the more straight forward acquisition/procurement paths compared to the other 2 branches.

It's not a high bar to clear, but the Navy does seem to perform meaningfully better than the other services in terms of project management and delivery. One of the underlying differences seems to be that the Navy takes more ownership throughout the entire process, rather than simply being the end customer. There seems to be a greater realism regarding what can actually be achieved on a given schedule and budget, integrating domestic industries and institutes with longstanding foreign relationships. The outputs from this system are often unimpressive in technology terms, but those incremental stepping stones are at least basically functional in the present while providing a credible basis to build upon going forward.

The greatest challenge is when many changes have to be managed and integrated simultaneously. There is a high level of systems commonality from P15A to P15B to P17A, and it remains to be seen how far P17B will depart from that in the 2030s. But the future P18 destroyer project will require simultaneous changes to hull form, propulsion and power generation, radars, datalinks, missiles and launch systems, and the software that ties it all together. This is precisely the kind of "step change" project that one can see running into the weeds, which is why I suspect the first ship will be lucky to enter service before 2040.

Of course India's SSBN program is an even greater "step change", and we can see that is progressing quite slowly, but is nonetheless progressing. One of these days, it will be interesting to learn just how extensive Russia's assistance has been in that endeavour, beyond the fact that the reactors appear to be at least close derivatives of Russian designs.

 

[gelgoog]

Of course India's SSBN program is an even greater "step change", and we can see that is progressing quite slowly, but is nonetheless progressing. One of these days, it will be interesting to learn just how extensive Russia's assistance has been in that endeavour, beyond the fact that the reactors appear to be at least close derivatives of Russian designs.

I am sure it is a "coincidence" that the nuclear reactor in the Arihant has the exact same power level as the VM-4 reactor the Soviets used.

Also, remember the Indian native civilian nuclear power reactors are all CANDU types. Their experience with PWRs was limited at best.

The Indians could have just gone for small attack subs with the same reactor next. The Soviets used that reactor in the Victor III. But no.

 

[AlexYe]

Was there even a deal in the first place?

Someone in India's parliament asked the Ministry of External affairs if such a thing had happened.


'No formal discussion had been held'
The date is 1st august(08 month)
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India's SSBN program

Frankly I personally dont get why opt for SSBN's they seem more expensive/hassle to operate and their big advantage is..operational time under the sea..? But India's primary threat is right next to them, not oceans across so whats the point of this (unless its geared towards China more)

I am sure it is a "coincidence" that the nuclear reactor in the Arihant has the exact same power level as the VM-4 reactor the Soviets used.

Another thing to add the list I have of Indian gear that is just russian but different name/colour slapped with indigenous label.