2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

Breadbox

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Now Iran is directly negotiating with the U.S. It looks Trump's optimal endgame is for full Iranian denuclearization in exchange for an end to Israeli attacks, as well as the U.S. forgoing to join the operation.

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The long term agreements of negotiation are meaningless, US and Israel will break any agreement like clockwork, if not this admin, then the next. If Iran isn't stupid, it will restart nuclear research in secret when the dust settles, it's up to the other side to restart the war and bear the political cost.
 
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Overbom

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Now Iran is directly negotiating with the U.S. It looks Trump's optimal endgame is for full Iranian denuclearization in exchange for an end to Israeli attacks, as well as the U.S. forgoing to join the operation.

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Smartest thing is for Iran to delay as much as possible and then do everything possible to rush Chinese aid and disperse it around the country asap.

Ofc that requires some degree of competency and non-racism, so I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening.
 

siegecrossbow

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Smartest thing is for Iran to delay as much as possible and then do everything possible to rush Chinese aid and disperse it around the country asap.

Ofc that require some degree of competency and non-racism, so I wouldn't hold my breath on that happening.

Are you sure about that. The longer they delay, the longer the U.S. has time to get the assets ready.
 

zyklon

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Now Iran is directly negotiating with the U.S. It looks Trump's optimal endgame is for full Iranian denuclearization in exchange for an end to Israeli attacks, as well as the U.S. forgoing to join the operation.

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The long term agreements of negotiation are meaningless, US and Israel will break any agreement like clockwork, if not this admin, then the next. If Iran isn't stupid, it will restart nuclear research in secret when the dust settlement, it's up to the other side to restart the war and bear the political cost.

The Iranians aren't expecting a sustainable peace either, but they probably do want to buy time to recover, rebuild and if possible rearm.
 

siegecrossbow

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Iran doesn't dare to first strike US assets, so US will get it's assets ready either way.

Most likely both sides play for time. I just hope that Iran actually has some brains and doesn't negotiate for real lol
No brain no pain. Since decapitating like half of their military high command has had no obvious effects I guess we can all draw conclusion.
 

Deffblue

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Are you sure about that. The longer they delay, the longer the U.S. has time to get the assets ready.
The main variable here really is US political willingness to enter into a campaign against iran. Nothing the iranians could except surrender could really affect that calculus, unless Iran inflicts significant damage upon israel and scare off the americans from joining. As far as Israel goes, it is only deterred by strenght and negotiating honestly with either US or Israel is really only a show of weakness.
 

SinoAmericanCW

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The Iranians aren't expecting a sustainable peace either, but they probably do want to buy time to recover, rebuild and if possible rearm.
I don't think that's realistic. The entire Iranian grand strategy has failed, and their best option now is to swallow the bitter pill of the U.S. ultimatum and turn inward, with a focus on socioeconomic reforms and modernization.

Iran is done as a major regional player for at least a generation.
 

siegecrossbow

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The main variable here really is US political willingness to enter into a campaign against iran. Nothing the iranians could except surrender could really affect that calculus, unless Iran inflicts significant damage upon israel and scare off the americans from joining. As far as Israel goes, it is only deterred by strenght and negotiating honestly woth either US or Israel is really only a show of weakness.

If they keep to Bosnian War style aerial bombardment I don’t see how there will be any opposition to this. Deploying ground troops? That’s debatable. But my veteran buddy said that they are moving blood banks to the bases in the Middle East so there is very real chance of boots on the ground.
 
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