2025 Israel - Iranian conflict

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New York Times is confirming via Iranian state media that three top Iranian generals and two nuclear scientists were killed in airstrikes.

Maj. Gen. Mohammad Bagheri, chief of staff of the armed forces and the second-highest commander after Supreme Leader Ayatollah Ali Khamenei.

Gen. Hossein Salami, commander in chief of the IRGC

Gen. Gholamali Rashid, deputy commander in chief of the armed forces.

Fereydoun Abbasi, the former head of the Atomic Energy Organization of Iran.

Mohammad Mehdi Tehranchi, a theoretical physicist and president of the Islamic Azad University in Tehran.

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[manqiangrexue]

Yes, this attack is enough justification to cancel the npt. But the snapback of UN sanctions has a deadline in October. There can't be a nuclear test before that while the reimposition of sanctions will probably trigger the nuclear test

You're still talking about law and the UN when Iran's getting rained on by Israeli missiles precisely because they don't have nuclear weapons?

China is very big and was reasonably safe from foreign invasion due to its large population of men willing to fight even a superpower. China is very ethnically homogeneous and difficult to infiltrate.

We had plenty of problems with hanjian. The determination and constant state of alert is what really sets up apart. We didn't talk about it or negotiate with it. We just did it, fast and secret until the Hand of Buddha live test.

China didn't have to fear a superpower doing everything in its power to stop nuclearisation.

It's not that they didn't want to; it's that they can't. If they could assassinate our scientists on public streets like Israel did to Iran, they would. Neither the Soviets nor Americans wanted us to be nuclear but neither could do anything to scientists tucked away in underground military bunker labs making undisclosed progress.

Iran doesn't have these advantages. Building a bomb 10 years ago before Iran had the ability to confidently deliver it to Israel would have been suicidal. Today it's different. Israel is attacking because the window of opportunity is closing

Israel should not even know how large the window is or if nuclear weapons are ready. Iranian scientists with unknown identities to all foriegn nations should be living in Fordow 24/7, 365 days a years making progress no one knows about until they announce that they can now turn Israel into dust should Israel ever violate Iranian territory.

Nuclear weapons are life or death. They are not for bargaining and they are not to be treated like normal science projects.

 

[Randomuser]

Pakistan considers itself the successor to the Muslim Empires of India such as the mughals and Delhi Sultanate. They consider themselves the descendents of past Muslim Conquerors. So, they do have their own "glorious" past to look back as well.

If true, I really hope they don't get too high on that sort of stuff.

At the end of the day, India is still the largest nation in population on earth. And way bigger than Pakistan.

Just look at how Iran can't seem to handle a much smaller Israel miles away from it.

 

[bebops]

In order to have a fair match against Israel, iran needs at least Japan's military strength to fight and defend.

Iran military is an antique museum. They don't have technology, manpower and production capability. Also, the geographic location of Iran is bad.

 

[gelgoog]

Iranian missiles are pretty good. They just need proper nukes to put on them.

 

[enroger]

Don’t forget Khomeini is stupid enough to issue a fatwa saying that developing nuclear weapons is haram. And he still has not withdrawn that fatwa. Just looking for death

I can almost believe there is some kind of MK Ultra conspiracy shit going on with Khomeini

 

[tamsen_ikard]

You're still talking about law and the UN when Iran's getting rained on by Israeli missiles precisely because they don't have nuclear weapons?

We had plenty of problems with hanjian. The determination and constant state of alert is what really sets up apart.

It's not that they didn't want to; it's that they can't. If they could assassinate our scientists on public streets like Israel did to Iran, they would. Neither the Soviets nor Americans wanted us to be nuclear but neither could do anything to scientists tucked away in underground labs making unknown progress.

Israel should not even know how large the window is or if nuclear weapons are ready. Iranian scientists with unknown identities to all foriegn nations should be living in Fordow 24/7, 365 days a years making progress no one knows about until they announce that they can now turn Israel into dust should Israel even violate Iranian territory.

Indian missiles were raining on Pakistani air bases and significant areas as well. Israel also saw Iranian missiles hitting it. So, nuclear weapon is not a guaranteed protection against Conventional strikes. Yes, its a protection against existential invasion, but not much else. No one has the brutality or extremism to launch a Nuclear strike on another country's civillian population as a retaliation against conventional attacks.

Iran needed the nukes as a deterrent against US invasions in the past, when war on terror was in full swing and it seemed like Iran was next. But US has lost its will and ability to invade the middle east any more. So, Iran's need for nukes is much less now.

 

[Minm]

I'm beginning to wonder if one of the reasons Pakistan has shown more success recently compared to bigger long term nations like India or Iran is because they are a new nation so they know they don't have much power and don't have any dreams or pride about their past glories. This allows them to be more grounded and do whatever it takes to win. In contrast India and Iran have a lot of pride from their old glory days and therefore think they can take on more than they can chew. To admit otherwise hurts their pride immensely. Actually even Russia is like this but they learn from mistakes a faster. China was unfortunately also like this and needed an entire century to wake up.

Pakistan has Chinese weapons, while Iran's requests for purchases get turned down by China. That's the difference

 

[tamsen_ikard]

If true, I really hope they don't get too high on that sort of stuff.

At the end of the day, India is still the largest nation in population on earth. And way bigger than Pakistan.

Just look at how Iran can't seem to handle a much smaller Israel miles away from it.

I don't think Pakistan has any illusion or desire to reconquer India. But they do want to destabilize and break up India into pieces. That is an absolute imperative for them if they want to survive as a country. As long as a Hindu nationalist dominated India exists as a united nation, its a threat to Pakistan's own survival. So, they must try to destabilize it as much as they can.

 

[Randomuser]

Pakistan has Chinese weapons, while Iran's requests for purchases get turned down by China. That's the difference

Its funny. Chinese weapons not that long ago were seen as cheap second rate weapons acquired by guys who were either enemies of the west or simply too poor to afford real weapons. Now they are somehow a gamechanger.

As the other poster mentioned, I kinda get while China is hesitant to sell them to Iran. Who knows how much of that stuff would all get leaked out to Israel and the west. Got to do due diligence on your customers as well.