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Chevalier

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All the US ever does is issue threats. All stick & no carrot leads to nothing but resentment over time. I think the Chinese government, even if it caves or appears to cave in this one example instance, will move to decouple further in the future. There is no long-term cooperation with entitled, self-important white supremacists.

Also, the sooner China calls Europe’s bluff, the better. The region is in a state of collapse & should not be holding Chinese politics hostage with the carrot of market access. Actually, this is the reason China needs to address demographics above all else. You cannot rely on foreign markets going forward as they have been and will be weaponized by a West increasingly fragile about its own industrial competitiveness.

Would China build its future prosperity on the basis of selling to Indians? Of course not. So why is it banking on the European & American markets? Tariffs and sanctions are the way of the future & it is likely we will return to a world more like the 18th and 19th centuries in terms of great power competition and closed markets. In such a world, demographics and resource control will become key to national wealth & power.
China exports more to the global south than to the recession laden first world:
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And this trend is set to accelerate. The europeans have a very weak hand and it is becoming more and more compromised by idiot white supremacist anglos across the Atlantic wanting to destroy european indsutry so they can monopolise all of the western industrial market.

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ACuriousPLAFan

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When the overwhelming majority of the US Congress (by that I mean >2/3) are living in the "We've stared down the Soviets face-to-face for more than four decades and finally won! Champion is ours forever!" and the "We have finally defeated the Soviets! We've reached the End of History!" alternate realities and fantasies, such results are rather unsurprising.


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AssassinsMace

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Tesla had their factory in Shanghai built in less than a year...? India not able to show off how they would do it better. Also I thought I saw a news blurb that Tesla cancelled its cheap EV that was suppose to be affordable and they were going to produce it in this very factory. Things not going well for India.
 
For your account of the event, I have two rebuttals. First, by April-May 2022, it was clear that the Shanghai lockdown was doing more harm than good, whilst the Omicron was far less lethal than it was thought to be. So why did Xi wait until the white paper movement uprising in November to give order to life the lockdowns throughout China? There has to be some connection to Xi’s hope for a smooth transition to his third term in October. But he grossly miscalculated by assuming that people would simply allow themselves to be locked up like pigs in a slaughterhouse. Thus, he did not get his smooth transition and lost 面子。By November, however, it was too late. China’s economy had been thoroughly gutted, and youth unemployment rate skyrocketed. That’s why China never had a post-pandemic boom. Both employers and employees lost confidence, so they began to 躺平 and 摆烂. That’s when the “degenerate” elites and their western allies began to blast propaganda saying that there are no hopes in China’s economy, so it is time to move your corrupt assets out. If you are not rich, you were told to go through the U.S.-Mexico border via drug lords who would “protect” you if you pay them. The rising interest rates in the U.S. also facilitated this 润 campaign, but the main cause is still the pessimism surrounding the great 2022 lockdown. His public manhandling of Hu Jintao (a separate issue) further eroded his image. Secondly, it is true that there are shitty human beings as you mentioned everywhere. But when these shitty human beings were given the power to carry out certain authorities by force without accountability, they REALLY enjoyed exercising their newly given power. That’s was the problem of the CPC’s bureaucracy, where folks were only accountable to those above them, not folks who they govern. When when their boss give them the power to forcefully take things away from people and evict people from their apartment to quarantine camps, these shitty carry them out zealously because they found self values in abusing others under the cover of legitimate authority. It was same thing that led to the high death rate of the Great Leap Forward, the lower-tier red guards engaging in random massacres and even cannibalism during the Cultural Revolution, and those 大白 during the great 2022 lockdowns. These were classic examples of newly given authority without accountability and effective scrutiny (on whether such exercise of authority broke other PRC and local laws).

The assertion that Zero-Covid policy should have been scrapped a little earlier (by 3-5 months at maximum) is valid. But you are overstating the economic consequences. In the last 3-5 months of Zero-Covid, none of the major cities had lockdowns, as Shanghai was the last city to experience a city-wide lockdown. People did eventually become frustrated and tired of the disruptions (understandably so), but the Zero-Covid policy was scrapped soon after, and six months later, everybody has gone back to their lives and forgotten about the whole ordeal. Every claim you make related to economics is categorically incorrect, and as they have all be conclusively refuted in the past on this forum, I am not going to devote any time to discussing them further. And the shitty people you acknowledge do also end up in positions of power/privilege in democratic countries as well. They must not be aware of the that fact that they should be accountable to the people to serve, because they abuse these people regardless. You literally have a democratic nation south of China where the police beat people to death with batons for violating Covid restrictions.

If Beijing can’t even effective tax the rich and build up a genuine healthcare system for commoners, what makes you think that China can win a war against the US-led status quo? It is pro-war cheerleaders and demagogues like you who bring about disasters and another century of humiliation. I think you should think about how to stop the bureaucratic capitalists from moving their corrupt monies abroad and enhance public childcare for pregnant women and single parents before going after Taiwan.

Great, you want China to be a Utopia and solve all the problems that no other country in the world has solved yet. What proposals do you have for solving these problems? Magically siphon more money from the rich and pump that money into the healthcare system? Somehow adding democracy is going to fix these problems, even though none of the world's large democratic nations have managed to solve these problems? And do you really think encouraging more single parents is going to be a net positive for society?
 
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Chevalier

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So i have a theory, the reason why Blinken is rushing to China on the heels of Yellen is because the US is facing down hyperinflation especially with that new spending bill for Ukraine and Israel and that drop in the bucket for taiwan: $6 bln comapred to $26 bln for Israel and $60 bln for Ukraine, but all of that money is basically a QE/stimulus package for the american economy.
Now $6bln 'loan' to taiwan is nothing comapred to what's given to Israel and Ukraine; is this the anglo americans way of trying to be nice so as to get China to take on more US debt and allow the US to export the inflation that's coming?
 

daifo

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So i have a theory, the reason why Blinken is rushing to China on the heels of Yellen is because the US is facing down hyperinflation especially with that new spending bill for Ukraine and Israel and that drop in the bucket for taiwan: $6 bln comapred to $26 bln for Israel and $60 bln for Ukraine, but all of that money is basically a QE/stimulus package for the american economy.
Now $6bln 'loan' to taiwan is nothing comapred to what's given to Israel and Ukraine; is this the anglo americans way of trying to be nice so as to get China to take on more US debt and allow the US to export the inflation that's coming?

The us is already adding 1 trillion of debt every 100 days. 100 billion more is just a drop in the bucket.

It's just likely more lecturing about china trade with Iran and Russia. Probably threats of decoupling or sanctions.
 
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