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james smith esq

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it is only when you have sufficient hard power to deter violence and coercion that competing in soft power becomes meaningful.
Yet, in the example given, it was only in the domain of soft-power, or, rather, in supplemental soft-power, that China was not competitive/effective. All China needed to do to be more successful, in that instance, was to follow-up, or lead-into, its economic and infrastructure aid with “informational-services”.
 

pmc

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I'll give you Belarus, but Kazakhstan? The same Kazakhstan that's been refusing to extradite Russian dissidents and condemning Russian actions in Ukraine? The same one that's seeking closer ties to the US? Russia's influence in Central Asia is vastly overrated today. None of those countries can be considered close partners of China's or Russia's.
I will not go by public statements. Russia still have dominance in Central Asia but Russia would never interact beyond certain point with Turkic countries or Iran and Russia is not carried away by trade or investment opportunities in these countries unlike some others. the last video you see that all matter. this is not easy topic to understand.

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A potato

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China, being right next-door, could simply make offers that they can’t refuse! I’d love to see the U. S. try to fight a war against China in Kazakhstan; please, Mr. ‘Muruhcuh, come fight in “the heartland“!
I bet they will try to get Kazakhs in China to secede from China and join Kazakhstan. Or promote the idea of greater Kazakhstan
 

Stierlitz

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CAMP DAVID, Maryland, Aug 18 (Reuters) - At a Camp David summit on Friday, the United States, South Korea and Japan will deepen military and economic ties as the allies seek to project unity in the face of China's rise and nuclear threats from North Korea.

U.S. National Security Adviser Jake Sullivan told a Camp David news briefing the meeting would announce "significant steps" to enhance trilateral security cooperation, including a commitment to consult each other in times of crisis.

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manqiangrexue

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Yet, in the example given, it was only in the domain of soft-power, or, rather, in supplemental soft-power, that China was not competitive/effective. All China needed to do to be more successful, in that instance, was to follow-up, or lead-into, its economic and infrastructure aid with “informational-services”.
And the reason is as he said, it takes hard power dominance to build "soft power" (or as I call it, non-violent extensions of hard power) against the wishes of the current dominant "soft power." "Soft power" is the prize you win for dominating in hard power; it is the fighter's title belt, the NFL/NBA's Championship ring. You might be number 2-3 for decades, competitive every time, but you will never have that championship ring/belt until you are number one. That's why China's "soft power" seems to be its weakest domain, not because Chinese culture is not being well-represented, but because displacing hostile "soft power" with your own "soft power" is the trophy and the trophy is the last step in total victory.
 

supersnoop

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But, couldn’t the price-point on those out-of-date engines and power-plants be attractive to some developing-nations with limited budgets, and the technology, possibly, be an improvement over what they currently have?
Some of us can remember when Japanese cars were crap, but there was still a market for them. In fact, I preferred Subarus when they were “built inexpensive, and made to stay that way!”

Not that this model was crap, it’s a beauty!

These out of date engines and power plants were attractive to a couple nations
1. Russia
2. China

This is why the whole idea of wholly orienting the economy towards the West and the EU never made much sense.

Historically, Russia was a willing partner to prop up Ukrainian industrial concerns in order to mitigate dependence on the West.

China is an obvious partner.

Joining the EU would mean the massive German industrial concerns would basically wipe out the Ukrainian domestic industry, probably just down to a few satellite plants. Basically it would harvest the population as cheap labour as they look for jobs elsewhere.

It doesn't mean that Ukraine has to be wholly oriented to Russia (or China), but certainly the hard divorce in 2014 was not in the best interests of the country.

Really this war should have never happened if everyone operated rationally and was intelligent enough.
 

Michaelsinodef

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These out of date engines and power plants were attractive to a couple nations
1. Russia
2. China

This is why the whole idea of wholly orienting the economy towards the West and the EU never made much sense.

Historically, Russia was a willing partner to prop up Ukrainian industrial concerns in order to mitigate dependence on the West.

China is an obvious partner.

Joining the EU would mean the massive German industrial concerns would basically wipe out the Ukrainian domestic industry, probably just down to a few satellite plants. Basically it would harvest the population as cheap labour as they look for jobs elsewhere.

It doesn't mean that Ukraine has to be wholly oriented to Russia (or China), but certainly the hard divorce in 2014 was not in the best interests of the country.

Really this war should have never happened if everyone operated rationally and was intelligent enough.
It's mixed, there's a part of Ukraine that have better economic relation with Russia and wishes for more trade with Russia (Eastern part) and then there's the other part that have such a relation with EU (Western part), including probably lots of people that wishes to have an easier time to migrate to EU (or if not, at least an easier time to get to work in EU countries).

Can say there's a pro-west part and pro-Russia part, with the pro-west part winning in 2014 (with help and meddling from the west, and ofc, Russia did also meddle and interfere).
 
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