F-35 Joint Strike Fighter News, Videos and pics Thread

Jeff Head

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The F-35 should not be used for the serious, down in the weeds CAS role. The A-10 is made for that, and quite frankly, there's nothing better. The could do an upgrade to that aircraft for a modest amount to get it new electronics and data capabilities so it can tie into the F-35 network...and perhaps allow for some newer weapons...but other than that, with its armor and big gun and the weapons it alreay as, it is perfectly suited for real, down in the weeds CAS.

And on top of that, losing one of those (with the pilot hopefully safely ejecting) is absolutely cheap when compared to potential loss of an F-35 that gets too close to the weeds.

Anyhow...that's my thinking.
 
The F-35 should not be used for the serious, down in the weeds CAS role. The A-10 is made for that, and quite frankly, there's nothing better. The could do an upgrade to that aircraft for a modest amount to get it new electronics and data capabilities so it can tie into the F-35 network...and perhaps allow for some newer weapons...but other than that, with its armor and big gun and the weapons it alreay as, it is perfectly suited for real, down in the weeds CAS.

And on top of that, losing one of those (with the pilot hopefully safely ejecting) is absolutely cheap when compared to potential loss of an F-35 that gets too close to the weeds.

Anyhow...that's my thinking.
from what I figured, the bottom line would be

"To recap: The service — facing financial pressure driven by spending caps known as sequestration — made multiple attempts in recent years to retire the Warthog to save an estimated $4 billion over five years and to free up maintainers for the
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, the stealthy fifth-generation fighter jet designed to replace the A-10 and legacy fighters."

(quoting from the article inside of Jun 10, 2017
one of my favorite stories now, so called retirement of the Warthog (I've heard the first attempts were in 1980s :)

Yesterday at 4:10 PM

now
Air Force Mulls Cutting Three A-10 Squadrons
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post)

and
The U.S. Air Force Is Hiding Its Controversial Flyoff Between the A-10 and F-35

July 10, 2018
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while
Jan 28, 2018

...
  • in the USAF top brass, there's just one group:
    F-35 stealth F-35 stealth F-35 stealth F-35 stealth F-35 stealth F-35 stealth F-35 stealth F-35 stealth
    and who doesn't like it, goes

    this group is looking for every billion to be poured into F-35s, in the process of course trying to kill A-10s, not upgrading Raptors much etc.

time will tell the rest
 
Jun 13, 2018
now this sales talk:
Pratt & Whitney is pitching a new version of the F-35 engine
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and (dated Jul 18, 2018):
F-35 Engine Upgrade Would Enable Directed Energy Weapons
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Pratt & Whitney is refining its proposed upgrade path for the
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Joint Strike Fighter engine to include increased power and thermal management system (PTMS) capability following feedback on its initially proposed upgrade package from the
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Joint Program Office.


Additional power and thermal management capability will enable the use of directed energy weapons and other advanced offensive and defensive systems and, if approved, would feature in an upgrade package called Growth Option 2.0 (GO2). Pratt & Whitney, which would roll PTMS into a suite of compressor and turbine enhancements originally proposed in the first upgrade package, G01, says the complete upgrade could be available within four years of getting the official go-ahead.

Growth Option 1.0, which was floated with the JPO in 2017, offered 5% fuel reductions and as much as 10% higher thrust. Offered as a cost-neutral upgrade, it was always meant to form part of a longer-term, two-stage improvement road map for the F-35 engine under plans first unveiled by the manufacturer in 2015. However, with the move to combine GO1 and 2 into a more complete enhancement package, Pratt is tailoring the revised proposal to closer match the F-35 upgrade road map recently outlined under the C2D2 continuous improvement strategy.

GO1 builds on core technologies evaluated from 2013 onward using the modified F135 test engine XTE68/LF under the U.S. Navy-sponsored fuel-burn reduction (FBR) program. It also incorporates design improvements developed under the U.S. Air Force-supported component and engine structural assessment research (Caesar), which focused on the
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engine for the
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, the predecessor to the F135 powerplant.

Though focused on integrating enhanced thermal management, GO2 will leverage more of the adaptive engine technology features in development at Pratt through air force and navy-supported initiatives. These largely stem from the air force-led adaptive engine technology demonstration (AETD), as well as the follow-on adaptive engine transfer program (AETP), which is targeting development of the XA101 variable-cycle engine for sixth-generation fighters.

The chief focus for these new AETD, AETP and XA101 engine cycles is the addition of a third airstream to provide additional either added combat power or range, depending on the phase of the mission. However, the “GO” upgrade packages can take advantage of the broader variable-cycle approach, says Matthew Bromberg, president of Pratt & Whitney Military Engines. “‘Adaptive’ refers to many other elements of the engine as well, not just the third stream. Yes, there is a third stream, but we are also looking at adaptive elements in controls and components inside the engine such as an adaptive turbine.

“We have widened the aperture and are looking at adaptive elements across the engine,” he adds. “As these mature we will look at what we can do with the technology in an existing engine, and that’s the concept in GO1. And GO2 is exactly the same thing. It just adds the PTMS capability that we missed last year. We didn’t have that in terms of the requirements when we packaged GO1, and that was the feedback we got from the customer. With a PTMS solution, this can meet all the C2/D2 requirements, and I think that’s compelling.”

Designed to be a drop-in replacement for the current engine, the GO2 package will not require other system upgrades outside of the propulsion system. “There’s more we can do with
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and other suppliers if we go outside the engine, but this is all within the engine,” says Bromberg. Although providing few specifics, he adds, “It is leveraging all the bleed systems, the generation systems.”

Pratt meanwhile continues tests of the new technology future fighter engine core that will provide the basis for the XA101. Although the company declines to offer any details of the work, it follows the successful completion of tests of a three-stream fan system on a modified F135 under the AETD program. Results from the core tests will feed into the AETP effort that forms the basis for the XA101 engine.
 
Jun 20, 2018
just a brief comment on recent posts here:

the US, as a country which has perfected logistics, ended up with ANTI-logistics which is F-35 Project with supply chain as LONG as possible and the number of suppliers as LARGE as possible!

(it appears to work domestically since it makes enough Politicians interested in keeping the project going whatever its actual perfo, but it's pretty risky internationally)
now
DOD opposes removing Turkey from F-35 programme, citing supply chain disruption
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In a letter sent to US Representative Mac Thornberry, chairman of the Armed Services Committee, US Secretary of Defense James Mattis acknowledged concerns about the Turkish government, while opposing US lawmakers’ efforts to remove the country from the F-35 Lightning II programme, saying the loss of the nation from the supply chain would delay delivery of some aircraft for up to two years.

The top objection from lawmakers to Turkey receiving the Lockheed Martin F-35 stealth fighter is the nation’s agreement with Russia to buy the Almaz-Antey S-400 Triumf system. That surface-to-air missile system is considered one of the most advanced on the export market and is advertised by Rosoboronexport as having an "anti-stealth range" of up to 81nm (150km).

Lawmakers also complain about what they say is Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdoğan’s decreasing respect for the rule of law, imprisonment of an American pastor, diminishment of individual freedoms, consolidation of power and strategic military decisions that are out of line with US interests.

In response, a bi-partisan group of US Representatives sent a letter to Mattis on 15 June, asking him to block the F-35 deliveries. The US Senate passed the 2019 National Defense Authorisation Act on 18 June with a clause that would also block the aircraft delivery.

Until now, the Defense Department has been silent on lawmaker opposition to Turkey’s involvement in the F-35 programme.

“Removing Turkey could trigger a supply chain disruption for the US military and our partners, as well as increase other program costs,” Mattis says in his letter to the House Armed Services Committee Chairman on 7 July. “If the Turkish supply chain was disrupted today, it would result in an aircraft production break delaying delivery of 50-75 F-35s, and would take approximately 18-24 months to re-source parts and recover.”

In co-ordination with Northrop Grumman, the main fuselage manufacturer for the F-35, Turkish Aerospace Industries manufactures and assembles centre fuselages, produces composite skins and weapon bay doors, and fibre placement composite air inlet ducts. In total, ten different Turkish firms make parts for every F-35 manufactured.

Turkey plans to purchase 100 F-35As, with its first batch of 14 already contracted. A total of 30 are scheduled for delivery by the end of 2022.

“I understand and agree with Congressional concerns about the authoritarian drift in Turkey and its impact on human rights and rule of law including the detainment of American citizens such as Pastor Brunson,” Mattis says in his letter. “The Administration is pressing Turkey on these issues as well as the potential acquisition of the S-400 air defense system.”

The US Department of State is in talks with Ankara to sell the nation the Raytheon MIM-104 Patriot, instead of the Russian S-400, it was revealed this week at the Farnborough air show by US acting assistant secretary for political-military affairs Tina Kaidanow.

The House Armed Services Committee decline to comment on the letter from Mattis.
 

Air Force Brat

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Japanese JAFSDF takes to the skies!


Way to go Japan. Now if the JMSDF will just buy about 50 F-35Bs for the Izumo and follow-on class of aircraft carriers!

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Yes indeed, the F-35 is second only to the F-22 in L/O and first in the world in sensor fusion, getting all the kinks out may take a while, but it is seriously wired and aware, both of threats and friends, it will be an easy airplane to fight, far more intuitive than any other aircraft,,, and yes the Japanese need at least 150 to 200 to counter the growing threat.

they are also beginning to seek a partner to build them a 5+ Generation Aircraft, and it looks like Northrup may yet have an opportunity to show the world the F-23 in all her glory!
 

Jeff Head

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Registered Member
Yes indeed, the F-35 is second only to the F-22 in L/O and first in the world in sensor fusion, getting all the kinks out may take a while, but it is seriously wired and aware, both of threats and friends, it will be an easy airplane to fight, far more intuitive than any other aircraft,,, and yes the Japanese need at least 150 to 200 to counter the growing threat.

they are also beginning to seek a partner to build them a 5+ Generation Aircraft, and it looks like Northrup may yet have an opportunity to show the world the F-23 in all her glory!
I'd love to see a resurrected, sensor fusion centric Long Range Strike aircraft, of fighter based on the F-23. Oh yes, that would be seriously nice.
 

Air Force Brat

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I'd love to see a resurrected, sensor fusion centric Long Range Strike aircraft, of fighter based on the F-23. Oh yes, that would be seriously nice.

Yes, the Japanese backed off on a "scratch built" bird because of the incredible amount of research and development, in order to counter the emerging threat, the Japanese are asking for an international "partner" to come in and help them, both LockMart and Northrup are very interested...

and even though Northrup is getting the B-21 prime, they would love to get back into the fighter bizz, and Mr. Trump would be more than happy to enlist Mr. Abe's help in policing the neighborhood, heck, the Japanese are building the F-35, and have built the F-104, F-4, and the F-15,,, I'd just love to see them enlist Northrup's help and build the Japanese F-23??

In fact, I bet we would buy some of those as well??? The F-22 was the right airplane at the time, now the time for a 5+ F-23 has come, with new generation engines, an enlarged weapons bay, enhanced stealth, and sensor fusion,, well lets just say, I can see the "cream, rising to the top"!
 
Saturday at 8:41 AM
Jun 20, 2018
now
DOD opposes removing Turkey from F-35 programme, citing supply chain disruption
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and
Jim Mattis warns Congress not to block Turkey from F-35 program
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Defense Secretary Jim Mattis is urging Congress not to
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, arguing that to do so would trigger an international “supply chain disruption” resulting in delays and higher costs for the $100 million aircraft.

“At this time, I oppose removal of Turkey from the F-35 program,” Mattis said in a letter to lawmakers
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. Turkey, a NATO ally who has invested $1.25 billion in the program since 2002, plans to buy 100 aircraft.

“If the Turkish supply chain was disrupted today, it would result in an aircraft production break, delaying delivery of 50-75 F-35s, and would take approximately 18-24 months to re-source parts and recover.”

Pentagon plans call for acquiring a total of 2,456 F-35s. Allies are expected to purchase hundreds of additional F-35s, and eight nations, including
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, are cost-sharing partners in the program with the U.S.

The Senate’s defense policy and appropriations bills include language to delay sales of the jet to Turkey over its plans to buy the Russian S-400 air defense system and its detainment of American pastor Andrew Brunson.

Mattis, in the July 7 letter, assured lawmakers the Trump administration was pressing Turkey on both issues and acknowledged Congress’s concerns with Turkey’s “authoritarian drift and its impact on human rights and the rule of law.”

NATO officials have warned of “necessary consequences” for Turkey should it purchase the S-400, which cannot be made interoperable with NATO and U.S. assets deployed in Turkish territory.

Turkish officials have threatened reprisals if the U.S. cuts it off from the F-35 and have
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the choice to buy the Russian S-400 missile defense system as the second-best option only because NATO allies declined to sell Western hardware.

A copy of Mattis’s letter, previously reported by Bloomberg, was provided to Defense News on Monday.

U.S. Senators Bob Corker, R-Tenn., and Bob Menendez, D-N.J., the chairman and ranking member of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee, have introduced bipartisan legislation to restrict loans from international financial institutions to Turkey until the Turkish government ends what they call the “unjust” detention of U.S. citizens. They are expected to consider it in committee this week.
 
now noticed

"... lawmakers backed administration plans for 77 F-35 Joint Strike Fighters, with limitations on software upgrades pending cost and schedule information."

inside
Hardware, end-strength, Russia and China sanctions. Here’s the deal lawmakers reached on the huge defense policy bill.
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