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China slowdown persists as industrial economy posts worst growth since February 2002
  • Industrial production – a measure of China’s industrial sectors including manufacturing and mining – grew by just 4.8 per cent in July
  • Retail sales, a key metric of consumption in the world’s most populous nation, grew 7.6 per cent in July, down from 9.8 per cent growth in June
Updated: 1:01pm, 14 Aug, 2019
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China’s industrial production in July grew at its lowest rate since February 2002, with the retail sector also taking a further hit amid a sharpening slowdown sparked by the US-China trade war.

Industrial production – a measure of the output of the industrial sectors in China’s economy, including manufacturing, mining and utilities – grew by 4.8 per cent in July from a year earlier. This was down from 6.3 per cent in June, which had improved from May’s 5.0 per cent growth rate.

The July reading was well below a poll of economists conducted by Bloomberg, which had forecast 6.0 per cent growth.

A general malaise has persisted over the last 13 months, during which the Chinese economy has been beset by US tariffs. Over the same period, the trajectory of most of China’s important economic indicators has been of declining growth.

In addition, retail sales, a key metric of consumption in the world’s most populous nation, grew by 7.6 per cent in July, down from 9.8 per cent growth in June, and well short of economists’ prediction of 8.6 per cent growth.

Consumption has been a big concern for policymakers in Beijing. In all but one month in 2019,
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have declined in an unprecedented trend for a country used to enjoying huge trade growth. This indicates that demand is weak in China, among both individual consumers as well as producers importing parts and components.

While the government has taken a
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to encourage consumer spending – such as discounts and subsidies for purchases of household goods and loosening of monetary policy to encourage bank lending – they have not had the intended effect so far.
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consumer spending to slow further for the rest of the year due to the trade war tensions.

The National Bureau of Statistics (NBS) also released data for fixed asset investment – spending on physical assets like real estate, infrastructure or machinery – which grew by 5.7 per cent in the first seven months of the year. This was down from 5.8 per cent in the January-June period. The Bloomberg poll had forecast no change.

Liu Aihua, a spokeswoman for the NBS, blamed the poor data on “inter-month volatility” for the poor data. “The economy in July continued to perform within the reasonable range, sustaining the momentum of progress in overall stability,” she said.

However, the broader picture is one of an economy struggling on multiple fronts. Despite 12 rounds of face-to-face negotiations, the trade war with the United States appears to be no closer to a conclusion. Prospects of a deal remain gloomy, with both parties reported to be entrenched in their positions. Further talks are planned for September, but expectations for the outcome remain low.

US President Donald Trump on Tuesday moved forward with plans to place a new 10 per cent tariff on Chinese goods. While initially mooted as a blanket tariff on US$300 billion of goods starting September 1, its implementation will now be staggered, with US$130 billion of the tariffs coming in September.

The remaining US$155 billion, which includes consumer items such as laptops, smartphones, video game consoles, and toys, will now have a tariff reprieve until December 15.

“We’re doing this for the
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, just in case some of the tariffs would have an impact on US customers,” said Trump.

This message – contradicting Trump’s previous claims that tariffs do not negatively affect American consumers – is likely to lead to another bout of
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, with US buyers rushing to order more goods made in China in time to beat the levy. However, with already high inventories and capacity issues in American warehouses, companies may be restricted in just how much advance buying they can do.

Furthermore, the new tariff comes on top of 25 per cent levies on another US$250 billion of Chinese goods, which has placed huge pressure on the world’s second largest economy’s manufacturing base.

Within the industrial production figures, manufacturing grew by 4.5 per cent in July, down from 6.2 per cent in June, and mining by 6.6 per cent, down from 7.3 per cent in June.

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Hendrik_2000

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The title is self explanatory. It is obvious who can last longer I mean Xi spend his youth living in a cave eating gruel and work hard on the field carrying water with pole on his shoulder. I mean this people know hardship and can eat a lot of bitterness . While Trumph live in luxury
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No concessions from China as U.S. postpones some tariffs: U.S. Commerce chief
Reuters 1 hour 56 minutes ago
U.S. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross speaks during a 17th Latin American Leadership Forum in Brasilia
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - There were no concessions from China for the U.S. decision to postpone tariffs on some Chinese imports until mid-December, U.S. Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said on Wednesday, adding that it was too early to assess where U.S.-China trade talks stand.

Ross, speaking in an interview on CNBC, added that while further telephone conversations between the two sides were discussed, a date has not been set for another round of in-person discussions.

"This was not a quid pro quo," Ross told the television network.

On Tuesday, U.S. President Donald Trump backed off his Sept. 1 deadline for 10% tariffs on thousands of Chinese imports, including technology products, clothing and footwear, pushing it to Dec. 15 for certain items. U.S. and Chinese officials also announced renewed trade discussions.

Both developments sent stocks sharply higher and drew cautious relief from retailers and technology groups as the world's two largest economies enter the second year of their trade fight.

"Until something is really formally announced and mutually agreed, it's a little premature to say where anybody is," Ross said. Asked if China had committed to in-person talks in September, Ross added: "I don't believe a date has been set."

(Reporting by Susan Heavey; Editing by Steve Orlofsky)
 
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Opinion
How China successfully calls Trump's bluff
Updated 14:51, 14-Aug-2019
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On August 13, the United States made a surprise decision, that new tariffs on certain Chinese imports originally designated for September 1, as pledged by Trump in his escalation of the trade war against Beijing, would now be postponed until December 15.

The move was justified by the president in the claim it would help Christmas shoppers, contradicting his and the administration's constant claims that the trade war was 1) making billions in dollars from China; 2) not hurting the American consumer and 3) that China was "bearing" the full weight of the tariffs.

If anything, this announcement is a sign of the administration's weakness. Trump and his backers believed quite firmly that with increasing economic pressure they could force China to capitulate into accepting a deal on American terms within a quick time frame (believing they were fragile), and not pay a price for it.

Instead, the White House underestimated Beijing's resolve and that it would not accept such a premise from Washington. As China devalued its currency and the economic toll started to hit home, Trump has subsequently began to panic, backtrack and thus has opened up a new "window" to negotiate. Beijing has called his bluff.

How might we understand Trump's trade war strategy? As per his foreign policy take on literally everything, the president believes that through intense pressure he can subdue China into capitulating to unilateral American preferences.

This approach has been amplified by hawkish trade advisers such as Peter Navarro who are influenced by what is known as "collapsism" – a school of thought originating in the aftermath of the Cold War that believes socialist states can be pushed to collapse, with particular reference to the Soviet Union and its allies in Eastern Europe.

Under these assumptions, the administration believed that placing increasing economic pressure on Beijing would weaken the legitimacy of the ruling Communist party, and therefore make them quickly keel to American trade war demands.

Thus, every time Beijing failed to see eye to eye with Washington's demands, Trump's reaction was just to slap more and more tariffs on China with the seeming anticipation that "this time, it will work." He seemed quite confident that he could get what he wanted before major damage was felt to the U.S. economy.

However, it didn't work out that way. Instead of falling to their knees, Chinese authorities began to feel the administration was acting in bad faith and instead started to interpret the trade war as an act of aggression against their country.

As a result, Beijing began to show resolve towards Washington and demanded negotiations were conducted in a fair and reciprocal manner, as well as respecting China's national interests. While it did not scupper dialogue completely, it made clear that if the current frame of mind from the U.S. persisted there would be no progress.

On these grounds, China proceeded to make several other moves that shocked the administration. First, the depreciation of the RMB against the U.S. dollar shows Beijing had the power to offset tariffs. Secondly, it ended all purchases of American agricultural products, delivering a blow to Trump's much-publicized emphasis on farmers.

As this happened, Trump's persistent escalation of the trade war rattled markets and a slowdown in U.S. growth amid the certainty, began to materialize. The president responded by repeatedly lashing out at the Federal Reserve and demanding it lower interest rates. Suddenly, he didn't look so strong anymore.

As a result, Trump's sudden tariff delay is a face-saving concession in the attempt to reopen a window of dialogue with Beijing in the subtle recognition his current strategy is not working and is in fact, hurting the United States.

In this window, it seems logical that the president will be seeking a deal. What exactly he will do remains unclear given his constant U-turns and unpredictability over this issue, but either way the extension is a sign of weakness rather than strength.

Even if he finally goes ahead and tariffs all Chinese goods after December 15, the public justification for the window in light of consumers is a clear acknowledgement the trade war is damaging.

In light of these developments, this round goes to China. By holding out against Trump's coercive strategy, standing their ground and revealing his anxieties concerning the U.S. economy, Beijing have successfully called the president's bluff and forced him into a climb-down.

But where it goes from here is anyone's guess, it's far from over yet.
 
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China slowdown persists as industrial economy posts worst growth since February 2002
  • Industrial production – a measure of China’s industrial sectors including manufacturing and mining – grew by just 4.8 per cent in July
  • Retail sales, a key metric of consumption in the world’s most populous nation, grew 7.6 per cent in July, down from 9.8 per cent growth in June
Updated: 1:01pm, 14 Aug, 2019
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Chinese economy grows within reasonable range in July
Source:Global Times Published: 2019/8/14 23:53:40
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Chinese officials and experts expressed confidence in China's growth potential as the country's economy showed a stable trend in July amid the ongoing China-US trade war.

Statistics released by the National Bureau of Statistics Wednesday showed that the growth of the domestic economy slowed down in sectors including manufacturing and consumption in July, but robust exports and steady fixed assets investment were reported for last month.

"China's economy continued to perform within a reasonable range," bureau spokesperson Liu Aihua said at a news conference on Wednesday.

The situation was similar in the consumption sector. In July, retail sales of consumer goods grew 7.6 percent on a yearly basis, down from 9.8 percent in June. Liu attributed the decline to falling automobile sales.

Liu stressed that China's new economic growth momentum is growing, such as the rising proportion of new economies in the GDP. Vitality in the private sector also brings vigor to the economy, she said.

"China's economy has a solid basis for further growth in the next period," Liu said.

Exports showed promising signs, Chinese experts said. Exports grew 10.3 percent year-on-year in July, up 4.3 percentage points compared with June, the bureau data showed.

Growth in the consumption and manufacturing sectors slowed during the month.

The added value of major industrial enterprises grew 4.8 percent year-on-year in July, down from 6.3 percent in June.

"The slowing growth shows that China is indeed facing pressure, but not in an unexpected way," said Tian Yun, vice director of the Beijing Economic Operation Association.

"China's exports still maintain a strong growth trend. In particular, the advantages of private sector exports are showing up. This is pointing toward the momentum of China's economic growth," Tian said.

Trade war impact

Wang Jun, a deputy director of the department of information at the China Center for International Economic Exchanges, said that the statistics showed China's international market demand was stable despite the trade friction.

"The trade war didn't hurt China's economy as much as some people had thought," Wang noted, "as China is multiplying its trade channels and China-US trade only accounts for a little over 10 percent of China's overall trade, and therefore the impact from the trade war is under control."

Wang nevertheless warned that the July statistics showed weak domestic demand was much harsher as China undergoes economic structural transition.

The US government Tuesday announced a delay in imposing a 10 percent tariff on certain goods originating from China, including cell phones and laptops, to December 15.

China's financial markets were stable Wednesday, with the benchmark Shanghai Composite Index rising 0.42 percent. The yuan's central parity rate against the US dollar rose 14 basis points, which is a mild fluctuation.

Bureau data showed investment in high-tech manufacturing grew 11.1 percent and 11.9 percent in high-tech service industries, year-on-year in the first seven months of 2019, beating average investment growth.

The Consumer Price Index, a gauge of inflation, also was stable in July with 2.8 percent growth, compared with 2.7 percent in June.

Stronger policy strength

Some experts suggested that the government "increase policy strength" to further propel the domestic economy in upcoming months.

"China's consumption and investment sectors have further growth potential," Tian said. "More efforts should be made by the government to push the development in those areas in the second half of this year."

Liu Xuezhi, an economist at the Bank of Communications, told the Global Times that an interest rate cut could be an option if China's third-quarter economy significantly slowed.

But he cautioned that the government should not waver in curbing real estate bubbles.

"The government should continue with marginal monetary easing and keep liquidity at a reasonably sufficient level to boost market confidence," Liu Xuezhi said.

Wang suggested the government increase financial expenditure and ease the deficit rate to support infrastructure construction.
 

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I know President Xi of China very well. He is a great leader who very much has the respect of his people. He is also a good man in a “tough business.” I have ZERO doubt that if President Xi wants to quickly and humanely solve the Hong Kong problem, he can do it. Personal meeting?
 

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