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That's prettt retarded even by the standards of the western mainstream press.

What next? They are going to take a picture of President Xi with an umbrella in the rain and claim he now supports HK independence? :rolleyes:

For Americans, all this 'fake news' epidemic might be a new development, but it's really just the American media have taken the kind of propaganda tools and methods they have been employing against China and anyone else they don't like for decades and applied them domestically.

True, but luckily that propaganda is getting worn out and no one is taking it seriously enough nowadays. That's why they repeat same ole cliché news and stories about North Korea or Islam.
 
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does the guy really sing about THAAD?
 

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Netherlands bars Turkish ministers as rally dispute escalates
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right now making front news "for me":
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  • Turecka minister wyrzucona z Holandii. Policja z końmi i psami natarła na protestujących
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It surprises me that foreign government officials (Turkey) taking part in political rallies and campaigns in other countries (Netherlands and Germany). How could this even happen?

As far as I understand, a foreign official can only enter another country at the invitation of the host country in his or her official capacity or as a tourist with a tourist visa. In the first way, the purpose of the visit is agreed before hand, it is a business trip that can not involve political campaigns even with own citizen because in another country. The second way the purpose surely does not allow political campaigns.

So how could the Turkish ministers even think of doing such things is totally beyond me.

There is one question I must ask, maybe delft know more details. The Turkish minister entered Netherlands on road from Germany. I know there is no boarder between the two countries, so the "fault" is not on Netherlands. But how did she enter Germany in the first place? I think the German boarder control should not have let her in without an official invitation from the German government. Did she enter Germany in other means like tourist visa? If so, it is a breach of EU law, but I did not hear Germany accusing her of wrong conduct. Every news focus on politics rather than legal terms. Is there something I missed? Isn't it much easier for EU to "fight back" with "illegal entrance and misconduct".?
 

plawolf

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It surprises me that foreign government officials (Turkey) taking part in political rallies and campaigns in other countries (Netherlands and Germany). How could this even happen?

As far as I understand, a foreign official can only enter another country at the invitation of the host country in his or her official capacity or as a tourist with a tourist visa. In the first way, the purpose of the visit is agreed before hand, it is a business trip that can not involve political campaigns even with own citizen because in another country. The second way the purpose surely does not allow political campaigns.

So how could the Turkish ministers even think of doing such things is totally beyond me.

There is one question I must ask, maybe delft know more details. The Turkish minister entered Netherlands on road from Germany. I know there is no boarder between the two countries, so the "fault" is not on Netherlands. But how did she enter Germany in the first place? I think the German boarder control should not have let her in without an official invitation from the German government. Did she enter Germany in other means like tourist visa? If so, it is a breach of EU law, but I did not hear Germany accusing her of wrong conduct. Every news focus on politics rather than legal terms. Is there something I missed? Isn't it much easier for EU to "fight back" with "illegal entrance and misconduct".?

Obviously no country would tolerate foreign officials holding rallies trying to influence local elections.

However, the political rallies in question are about Turkish domestic politics, which is why I think they were originally allowed. That is why Turkey is throwing a temper tantrum about the Dutch cancelling them, on what they feel is very short notice.

It may even be seen as an attempt to influence the outcome of the upcoming Turkish referendum, although I would say that is a stretch given the numbers involved.

Erdogan has always been a short-fused blown hard who loves to throw out extremist slogans.

He is, in many ways, the original Trump. Those two will either love each other or loath each other once they meet in person given how alike they are.
 

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I'm no fan of demagogues like Donald Trump and Marine Le Pen, but some credits are due to them for cutting down the lame stream media a bit.

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A fascinating exchange in which French presidential candidate Marine Le Pen informs a reporter that no one trusts the media highlights how incredibly disconnected from reality the establishment press really is.

The reporter tells Le Pen her advice that people “turn away from the traditional media, (and) go and find news on the Internet” is “dangerous”.

Le Pen looks bemused, asking, “why?”


The reporter responds by stating, “On the Internet, you can find conspiracy theories, all types of things, it’s not necessarily verified information.”

“Don’t you think that the traditional media have conspiracy theories?” replied Le Pen, adding, “I’ve read a ton of things about Russia intervening in the presidential campaign and other things like that – I mean there is at least as much fake news in the traditional media as on the Internet!”



The reporter then accuses her of ‘inciting’ people to “find information” on the Internet “about things that weren’t verified”.

“It could never be worse than what you guys are saying or what you write in the traditional newspapers,” responds Le Pen.

The reporter then accuses the National Front leader of acting like Trump in trying to undermine the media as a campaign tool.

“Madame, French people have no confidence in the media whatsoever, are you aware of that, or not?” asks Le Pen.

The exchange once again highlights how the mainstream media is completely out of touch with reality.

These people still think that they have absolute credibility when in reality trust in the establishment press is lower than at any time in recent history.

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show that Le Pen has pulled ahead of establishment candidate Emmanuel Macron with 26.5% of the vote compared with 25% for Macron.

The first round of the French presidential election takes place on April 23, with the second round to follow on May 7.

Le Pen is almost certain to pass the first stage, although she is widely expected to be defeated in the second round.

Then again, those making this forecast are the same people who got it spectacularly wrong on Brexit and Trump – and the same people who think the mainstream media is still trustworthy.
 
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Orly airport: Man killed after taking soldier's gun
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and now I read
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Man identified by security official as Ziyed Ben Belgacem was killed hours after he shot and injured a policeman north of Paris

French anti-terror officials have launched an investigation after a man known to the security services shot at a police officer in northern
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before travelling across the city to Orly airport, where he was killed following an altercation with another officer.

The attacker was said to be a radicalised Muslim who appeared on a security watchlist, police sources told Reuters. France’s anti-terrorism prosecutor later confirmed that an inquiry had been opened into the incident on Saturday morning.

The suspect was identified by a security official as Ziyed Ben Belgacem, a 39-year-old born in
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, the Associated Press reported.

Prosecutors said the suspect’s house was among scores searched in November 2015 in the immediate aftermath of terror attacks in Paris in which 130 people were killed. Those searches targeted people with suspected radical leanings.

The suspect’s father and brother were detained by police for questioning on Saturday.

The French president, François Hollande, said the investigation would determine whether the Orly attacker “had a terrorist plot behind him”.

The French defence minister, Jean-Yves Le Drian, said the attacker had assaulted a patrol of three air force soldiers, one of whom was a woman.

The attacker wrestled her to the floor and tried to take her weapon, but she was able to keep hold of it. The two other soldiers then opened fire to protect her and passengers in the airport, he said.

The air force personnel were deployed as part of Sentinelle, a military operation launched in January 2015 after the Paris terrorist attacks to support the police and protect sensitive sites.

The interior minister, Bruno Le Roux, said the man shot dead at the airport was linked with a car-jacking incident earlier on Saturday in a northern suburb of Paris. He said the man had shot at a female police officer after being stopped for speeding before fleeing the scene and stealing a car at gunpoint.

Le Roux said the officer had not been badly injured.

No explosive devices were found on the dead man’s body, an interior ministry spokesman said.

About 3,000 people were evacuated from both terminals at Orly and all flights were suspended, with some diverted to Charles de Gaulle airport. Some flights began operating again early Saturday afternoon. No one else was injured in the Orly incident.

The airport shooting follows after a similar incident last month at the
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in central Paris.

France remains under a state of emergency in the wake of the attack on the Bataclan music venue in November 2015 in which jihadi gunmen killed 90 people, and the Nice truck attack last July that claimed the lives of 84 people and injured hundreds more.

On a visit to Paris on Saturday the Duke and Duchess of Cambridge met survivors of the Bataclan attack, praising their bravery and the “amazing progress” of their recovery.

The royal couple met a 25-year-old, known only as Jessica, who was shot seven times in the leg, hip and back as she dined with friends at La Belle Equipe restaurant, and Kevin, 28, a Bataclan concert-goer shot in the leg.

The couple visited the hospital where the pair have been treated as reports of the incident at Orly airport emerged. A Kensington Palace spokesman said the royal visit was unaffected.
 
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